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chester -> Music in 7/8 (Apr. 19 2014 20:31:44)

I've been fooling around with 7/8 time for a while, composing different tunes on it. I've been noticing they're pretty basic (rhythmically) -- I can't seem to get away from the 12 12 123 feel.

Can anyone point me towards a groovy music genre that uses 7/8 a lot so I can glean some rhythmic ideas?

I figured a flamenco forum would be a likely place for someone with a more esoteric musical taste (paco's masterpiece thread notwithstanding) [:D]

Thanks, I'd appreciate any direction with this.

Peace.



El Kiko -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 19 2014 20:49:02)

cant think of anything obviously in 7/8 but Conlon Nancarrow has a Study for Piano No. 41a that is written in, one over the square root of pi and whose denominator is the square root of ⅔., if you want to see if you can make that groove .....what do you do when you see this written at the beginning of the piece ..

1/√π/√⅔.................???



NenadK -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 19 2014 22:09:07)



This is Jovano Jovanke. Macedonian folk song.

Enjoy!

N



shaun -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 19 2014 22:57:31)

Search for "septuple meter".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuple_meter

A lot of prog rock and prog metal use odd time signatures like that.



Estevan -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 0:21:27)

It's common in Bulgarian and Macedonian music where they have a lot of dances that are usually very fast - look for ruchenitsa (maybe also spelled rachenitsa) as well as elenino horo and chetvorno horo. There are other names but I can't recall them (I played that stuff a long time ago).

At a more moderate pace, Nenad's example is nice - there's another popular Macedonian song called 'Shto mi e milo' that you can probably find online.

In Greek music there's a dance in 7 called kalamatianos - probably others too.

There's a beautiful interlude in 'El Amor Brujo' by Manuel de Falla which is in 7/8. It's on Paco's Falla album: "Introducción y Pantomima" (it's the Pantomima).

A really great American example is the Grateful Dead song 'Estimated Prophet' which is a kind of reggae in 7/4.

Also North Indian music in rupak tal. (Or in South Indian music, tisra jati triputa tala).



El Kiko -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 0:50:03)

only messing ...i would have thought "" Unsquare Dance"" Dave Brubeck would have came up by now .........its a definate and well known 7/8....



estebanana -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 0:52:03)

Get Dusan Bogdanovich's Polymetric studies for guitar.

sample: http://www.scribd.com/doc/99650125/Dusan-Bogdanovic-Polymetric-Studies

There's stuff in there that will break the 1212123 pattern in your head. Fo sizzle.



Ricardo -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 7:18:39)

imposing a 7/4 over top of two bars of 7/8 breaks up the monotony of your 1212123 patterns.



Thomas -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 8:25:07)




mark indigo -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 15:24:16)

quote:

groovy music genre that uses 7/8
one of the songs in "Jesus Christ Superstar" the musical uses it[8D]



tri7/5 -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 17:47:29)

Isn't Vicente's Roma in 7/8?



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 19:16:43)

quote:

Can anyone point me towards a groovy music genre that uses 7/8 a lot so I can glean some rhythmic ideas?


Check out music of the Balkans, particularly Bulgarian, Macedonian and Greek.

Andy Irvine (of Planxty fame) is heavy into this music, and popularised it considerably in the British Isles.

There’s a well known Irish reel called My Love Is In America (the Dubliners play it, among others). Someone wrote a tongue-in-cheek version in 7/8 called My Love Is In Bulgaria. You should be able to find both of them on the Web in ABC notation: you might find the comparison interesting.



tommyberre -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 20 2014 19:58:38)

I used to listen a lot to prog rock, so I would like to suggest a song from Genesis live album Seconds Out, a song called Dance On A Volcano.
Great drumming from Chester Thompson and Phil Collins.
A lot of the song is in 7/8, parts in 4/4 and others as well I would guess...



chester -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 21 2014 14:29:03)

Great responses guys, thanks so much!

So much new stuff -- I've definitely got a lot to get inspired from.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 21 2014 16:24:56)

Are you sure you want to confine yourself just to 7/8? Balkan music has all sorts of interesting time signatures; try this one in 11/16 (4 + 3 + 4):

http://www.amazon.com/Sulemans-Kopanitsa/dp/B0012N11A2/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1398097016&sr=1-1-fkmr1&keywords=suleiman%27s+kopanitsa

(The MP3 sample is from the beginning; it build and builds.)



Ricardo -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 23 2014 14:50:28)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chester

Great responses guys, thanks so much!

So much new stuff -- I've definitely got a lot to get inspired from.



Forgot, you can do alternating bars of 4/4 and 3/4 doing any kind of cool 16th note syncopations and it will equal two bars of 7/8 and really make things more interesting if you have some sort of percussive reference to your 7/8 throughout. Same idea, two bars of 2/4 (like two compases of rumba for example) and a bar of 3/4 (like jaleos half compas) can create the same math.

Finally, if what you are after with 7/8 is faster phrasing (like Yanni or riverdance LOL), you can pretend it's 7/16 so then all the above will equal a nice square 4 bar phrasing.



Kalo -> RE: Music in 7/8 (Apr. 23 2014 15:46:29)

Please the Greeks have a nice 7/8 style Kalamatanio style of dance/music that will rock your socks off [:D]



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