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Xavi -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 20 2014 14:52:15)

When I saw this image (from Callejon del Duende), I instantly thought "Paco stamp."

Thanks zata for the Antonio Rey description. That silence must have been a powerful tribute.



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mark indigo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 20 2014 15:18:01)

nice tribute, good for you for engaging with the bureaucrats to make this happen[:)]



mark indigo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 20 2014 15:23:12)

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I read some weeks ago that there is a plan to name a subway station after Paco in the northern wastelands of suburban Madrid, which to my mind is hardly an honour.
that reminds me of the statue of Paco in Algeciras which is pretty much out of town, not in the centre....[8|]



mezzo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 20 2014 19:28:46)

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After all, the guitarra flamenco IS a guitar española.

I don't think so.
Maybe it's a language issue. In France, guitarra espanola is synonymous of classical guitar. So according to my french references, a guitarra espanola is slighty diferrent from a guitarra flamenca, in term of construcion and such. Second, the music and Arte derivated from a guitarra espanola is strongly different from the one originated from a guitarra flamenca.

Now I don't know, maybe in English or in German, the term guitarra espanola have a different meaning. In Spanish too. I don't know.
But from my POV, classify Paco's entire lifework and dedication under that adjective is disrecpectful.
Zata explains the context of why it comes that way. Ok, I have no prob with that as I already said.
Now if you are happy with that adjective of guitarra espanola to caracterize Paco's guitar, then I'm glad for you. If you think that the term guitarra flamenca to describe Paco's music could be replaced by a more generic one, then I'm glad for you. If you think that the word flamenco is not THE word that fit to define Paco's musical style, then I'm glad for you too.

I'm too respectfull toward the Arte, to accept that an umbrella adjective such as 'Spanish' could mask or redefine THE one that matches and that should be used coz of it's specificity...just to clarify my thoughts.
Btw, I'm happy with that stamp hey! [:)]



machopicasso -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 9:36:07)

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I feel it's great, that Paco was chosen to represent the "Guitarra Española"!
After all, the guitarra flamenco IS a guitar española.
And, isn't it great, that Paco's on the stamp, rather than Segovia?


Exactly! That's initially why I asked.



Escribano -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 10:44:45)

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Now I don't know, maybe in English or in German, the term guitarra espanola have a different meaning


In the UK, "Spanish Guitar" generally means a classical guitar, but then people are often thinking of flamenco in this context anyway, so I am happy with it.



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 11:00:23)

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maybe in English or in German, the term guitarra espanola have a different meaning


The stamp was to have been part of this series. The name of the instrument was never negotiable, only the design. In this sense, the Commission worked a small miracle to get Paco on the stamp.

It might have been more "respectful" to wait until next year for a stamp that said "flamenco guitar", but that was never a guaranteed option.



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ralexander -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 12:35:50)

Wow, nice work Zata and Brook!

Thanks also for sharing the news about the personal tributes at the festival, I hadn't seen any news about any formal tributes and it's nice to hear some artists took it upon themselves to pay respect.



Don Dionisio -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 14:08:02)

Thanks, Estela for your efforts to make this tribute happen.



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 14:13:09)

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Thanks, Estela for your efforts to make this tribute happen.


Just a reminder, this was a joint effort with Sir Brook Zern, whose having been knighted by Spain's king Juan Carlos for his contribution to flamenco was certainly an important factor in the successful outcome of the petition.



Ricardo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 15:19:22)

how much is the stamp or a sheet of em?



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 16:32:24)

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how much is the stamp or a sheet of em?


So many people have been asking, I just now went down to the post office, but they have no information at all. I read something about the stamp being "Tariff B", which would account for the unseemly letter "B" on the stamp, and no indication of price. They told me to go by on Wednesday when the stamp is issued, so I'll do that.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 17:13:03)

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The stamp was to have been part of this series.


A 6-string banjo? Where on Earth did they find that? No one plays it except guitarists who want a banjo sound occasionally [:o]



Ruphus -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 17:22:26)

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

A 6-string banjo? Where on Earth did they find that? No one plays it except guitarists who want a banjo sound occasionally [:o]


Like me.
I own one. :O)

Ruphus



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 17:26:49)

Really? How often do you play it?

(I thought most of them were owned by Nashville session musicians.)



Ruphus -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 17:32:42)

Err ... There is just so little time ...
I played it some time after purchase and really liked it.
Now I have not even adjusted its bridge to precise intonation, which was slightly shifted during crude moving incidents.

All I can say is that it is really fun to play, though.
Only downside is that its brim is of solid cast-iron, making it really heavy.
´can hardly imagine how one could endure daily long hours of practising.

Ruphus



mark indigo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 19:08:19)

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In France, guitarra espanola is synonymous of classical guitar. So according to my french references, a guitarra espanola is slighty diferrent from a guitarra flamenca, in term of construcion and such.

my understanding is that classical guitar and flamenco guitar are the two different types of Spanish guitar. Both types come from Spain. People who use "Spanish guitar" to mean "Classical guitar" are usually ignorant of the difference between classical and flamenco guitar.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 21 2014 19:24:42)

That’s my understanding too: Spanish guitar signifies (in the absence of contrary information) nylon-strung guitar (of more or less the standard dimensions), with a round sound-hole and the body at the 12th fret.



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 22 2014 9:28:05)

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I feel it's great, that Paco was chosen to represent the "Guitarra Española"!
After all, the guitarra flamenco IS a guitar española.


The Philatelic Commission just sent me the actual law number 4305 dated today, April 22nd, 2014, that authorizes the issuance of Paco's stamp. It's just so much legal rigamarole, however the following sentence caught my eye, because it shows the officials do understand that Paco was a *flamenco* guitarist and composer:

Dentro de la serie denominada «Europa», el día 23 de abril de 2014 se emitirá un sello de correo autoadhesivo dedicado a la «Guitarra Española» y al compositor y guitarrista flamenco «Paco de Lucía (1947-2014)», Premio Príncipe de Asturias de las Artes 2004.



estebanana -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 22 2014 13:20:48)

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entro de la serie denominada «Europa», el día 23 de abril de 2014 se emitirá un sello de correo autoadhesivo dedicado a la «Guitarra Española» y al compositor y guitarrista flamenco «Paco de Lucía (1947-2014)», Premio Príncipe de Asturias de las Artes 2004.

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That is our wine drinking government postal worker upper management type who listened to Paco at night and cut through the red tape to get this stamp done!

And once again I am so happy to hear about this.



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 23 2014 13:08:48)

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They told me to go by on Wednesday when the stamp is issued, so I'll do that.


Ha....I'd almost forgotten this is Spain. Just got back from the post office where I'd triumphantly walked up to the window and asked for the new Paco de Lucía stamp. When I told the girl it came out today, she laughed and said they were only now receiving "new" issues from January and February. However, she kindly took my name and telephone number, and said I would receive a phone call when the stamp arrived.



kenjo138 -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 24 2014 18:33:24)

Here is a new painting dedicated to Paco. Oleeeee ...



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Leñador -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 24 2014 18:55:36)

Lil Diego peeking through the window is my favorite! Lolol



Arash -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 24 2014 19:25:35)

haha, the painting is amazing .. [:D]



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 24 2014 22:30:17)

Sorry to appear thick; but who’s the leftmost dude (stage right?)



zata -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 24 2014 22:36:40)

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who’s the leftmost dude (stage right?)


Pepe Habichuela. There are people I'd have included before him and his brother. Gerardo, Cañizares, Riqueni... The Habichuelas have their own style, and are too old to have been strongly influenced by Paco.



estebanana -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 25 2014 1:17:12)

Yeah with the Carmona's you may as well put in the del Gastor clan - :)

I would have seated Manolo Sanlucar at the table, but it is fitting Vicente looks to be near orgasmic.

I would have picked Velaquez' 'Surrender at Breda' and had Mick Jagger handing Paco the key with various col. and generals as the cast of flamenco guitarists. And the guy on the far left is Keith Richards.



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vigrond -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 25 2014 7:42:15)

haha the capo does it for me



Ruphus -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 25 2014 9:05:53)

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ORIGINAL: vigrond

the capo does it for me


Yep!
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Did they meet on a Sunday with no kiosk near by, or why do the poor guys have nothing to eat on the table? [8D]

Ruphus



mark indigo -> RE: Paco's stamp (Apr. 25 2014 10:04:45)

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There are people I'd have included before him and his brother. Gerardo, Cañizares, Riqueni... The Habichuelas have their own style, and are too old to have been strongly influenced by Paco.
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Yeah with the Carmona's you may as well put in the del Gastor clan - :)

I would have seated Manolo Sanlucar at the table, but it is fitting Vicente looks to be near orgasmic.


I'm sure we could make a looooong thread discussion who should/shouldn't have been at the table....
....but in the end it's just a bit of fun [:D]

still, if we are weighing up Paco's influence on other guitarists, what about Moraíto? I have an interview with him where he says he is of the "School of Paco de Lucía".

I wouldn't have put Manolo Sanlúcar in the pic, I felt he made his own way, with his Mundo Y Formas LP's, then his disco flamenco fusion LP's in the late seventies, and his orchestral compositions etc.
Was he more influenced by Paco than I'm giving credit for?



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