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Arash -> A short break from flamenco (Apr. 16 2014 21:39:00)

ok, had enough from compasless classical guitar threads in the recent weeks.
need a short break from flamenco, but don't lose the rythm?

Here you go:






Aretium -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 16 2014 22:45:29)

I like the bottom one (on a subnote I have never found western pop/rock/folk/jazz whatever its called to speak to me emotionally).

The first vid for me, is just performance guitar, let the music do the talking.



Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 16 2014 23:15:19)




Leñador -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 16 2014 23:19:26)

Yeah I think I like the Andy Mckee better too, who do you suppose would be someone like that's influences??

I have a suspicion the first video was overdubbed................

Love me some Ricardo Ribeiro!
Love me some Cuca even more though [:D] sexy at it's best......gives me chills



mark indigo -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 9:48:15)

Ricardo Ribeiro e Pedro Jóia - Covilhã Cidade Neve

what is that music? I never heard it before, but it sounds a bit like the Paco sextet (the flute and cajon I guess - but what is the string instrument?)



machopicasso -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 9:50:03)

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Yeah I think I like the Andy Mckee better too, who do you suppose would be someone like that's influences??


Michael Hedges.



Ruphus -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 9:52:54)

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ORIGINAL: Aretium

I have never found western pop/rock/folk/jazz whatever its called to speak to me emotionally).


Which seems like incredible musical frigidity to me. ( Which I commonly only observe with rap/ techno kids or with Orientals.)
Where have you been raised, if I may ask?

Ruphus



ralexander -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 11:56:43)

Cool post, Arash - this is where I came from musically speaking before flamenco got a hold of me [:D]

I know both of these guys and have taken lessons with Andy. The 2 big influences they name from an acoustic guitar standpoint are definitely Michael Hedges and Don Ross, who coincidentally I saw in concert last night. Also Preston Reed, Stephen Bennett, Leo Kottke etc.

Kasey, believe it or not that Antoine video is not overdubbed - he can play like that, I've seen it in person! Totally amazing player with great control and quite a bag of techniques to pull from.

The interesting thing about these guys is that they all seem to approach composing in the same way. Guitar is their instrument of choice, but they all are trying to recreate the sounds in their head ie horn sections, drums, strings etc. I consider Don Ross and Michael Hedges the pioneers of this style, but there is a whole generation of great players that have followed in their footsteps.



Aretium -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 12:07:32)

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Which seems like incredible musical frigidity to me. ( Which I commonly only observe with rap/ techno kids or with Orientals.)
Where have you been raised, if I may ask?


I didn't say I didn't listen to that genre of music, I said it didn't speak emotionally, does it mean I can't enjoy it or its ideas? Wouldn't it be better to contribute to the discussion?
I listen to plenty of music that doesn't invoke an emotional response, watching cante is very emotional but I wouldn't listen to it on the way to work.
p.s Where I am from is of no concern, and in any case why should it matter?



Arash -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 12:41:01)

First one is not playback. I can see that even without having seen him live etc.

I enjoy this style of acoustic guitar more and more recently (though am not so much
familiar with the artists) and the mood of it (its kind of a mix between sadness, happinnes and hope, all together in a drawing way).
Don't know why, but everytime I watch the first video, it reminds me on the
movie Vanilla Sky.

I'm seriously thinking about buying an acoustic guitar and try learning a bit from
this style parallel to my flamenco journey. Maybe a cheap Fender Squire SA105 to start with.

As An Iranian its probably weird, but sometimes I also enjoy american country music.[:D]

ralexander, thanks for the other suggestions, some names i didn't know.
Will check them out.



Ruphus -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 13:00:29)

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ORIGINAL: Aretium

I didn't say I didn't listen to that genre of music, I said it didn't speak emotionally, does it mean I can't enjoy it or its ideas? Wouldn't it be better to contribute to the discussion?
I listen to plenty of music that doesn't invoke an emotional response, watching cante is very emotional but I wouldn't listen to it on the way to work.
p.s Where I am from is of no concern, and in any case why should it matter?



Seems you mean something I don´t understand with "speaking emotionally".
Because, when I personally enjoy music, it is always effecting me emotionally. ( From cheering inside, to down to tears.)

What the discussion is concerned, I own albums of Kottke, Sammy Vomacka, Ry Cooder and others to whom I used to listen a lot. And meanwhile I have seen newcomers who will technically play circles around them.

I dig ragtime blues and all the other kinds of steel & folk from around Mississippi, or more in detail much of what came from GB and African Chorusses until it became blues, soul, funk and in the end rock.

So, long live rock´n roll and everything that evolves, in melody and rhythm, raises into all kind of colours, shades and musical means, pulling, inspiring to move one´s body in ever altering ways.

( - And in the opposite, down with stale, colorless monotony. It is not just undemanding to make and listen to, but kills the brain.)

Ruphus



Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 14:24:31)

Its a spanish guitar with a shape similar to the portuguese guitar.



Leñador -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 15:07:07)

If that's not overdubbed I'm pretty dang impressed.

Thanks for the heads up on Micheal Hedges and Don Ross, gotta check them out.



mark indigo -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 15:57:19)

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Its a spanish guitar with a shape similar to the portuguese guitar.
what is a Portuguese guitar? was that vid Portuguese music? is that fado? I am very ignorant of Portuguese music, please enlighten me!



Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 16:07:48)

This is a portuguese guitar:



Check out Carlos Paredes, he is the master on this instrument.


Regarding the original video I posted, it's a mix between portuguese music, flamenco, proggy fusion...

The weird thing is that this is just a live project called "Mourarias" and they have two video clips... but no album with this project [&:]

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Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 18:19:10)




Erik van Goch -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 19:19:43)

Thanks for sharing, that's some damn refined playing.



koenie17 -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 19:30:33)

Ahhh Fado... I love it!!
Here´s a nice documentary from Spanish tv Entre2aguas by Javier Limon. This one is about fado. I really like the voice of Carminho(11:58). Would love to go to Lisboa one day for some fado.
You are from Portugal no Rui? Can you give me some tips on where to go?

http://youtu.be/fdUMeecGTYQ



Paul Magnussen -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 20:03:05)

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what is a Portuguese guitar? was that vid Portuguese music? is that fado? I am very ignorant of Portuguese music, please enlighten me!


There’s a pretty good article on Wikipedia.



beno -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 20:15:16)

I also like a LOT of different music beside flamenco from classical to extreme metal, almost everything [:D]

I also like Hungarian gipsy music a lot, I feel my roots in it:




Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 17 2014 20:25:44)

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You are from Portugal no Rui? Can you give me some tips on where to go?


It's pretty easy to give tips on this.. once you get there you can pretty much go everywhere by foot, unless you're totally wasted [:D]

This is to say that all the names you might have heard (Alfama, Mouraria, Rossio, Bairro Alto, etc) are all next to each other and that's where you'll find all the "Casas de Fado" among others (jazz clubs for example).


EDIT: Javier Limon is a beard that has grown a man. [sm=tongue.gif]



machopicasso -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 9:40:57)

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The interesting thing about these guys is that they all seem to approach composing in the same way. Guitar is their instrument of choice, but they all are trying to recreate the sounds in their head ie horn sections, drums, strings etc. I consider Don Ross and Michael Hedges the pioneers of this style,


I can't speak for the the others, but Hedges originally attended Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore with the aim of studying classical guitar. Once there however he switched over to studying composition and electronic music. So many of his songs are in different tunings because he would compose first and then find a tuning which he thought was most conducive for the composition.



machopicasso -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 9:56:12)

I liked the camera angles from the headstock. Like the guitar is the only stationary thing in the universe...

It looks like it has a golpeador. Do Portuguese guitarists use golpe?



Thomas -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 11:15:50)






Sr. Martins -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 13:00:36)

Pedro Joia also plays flamenco. You can find him playing Almoraima.



Arash -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 13:05:46)

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ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

Pedro Joia also plays flamenco. You can find him playing Almoraima.


Before you said this, I already guessed that just by looking at his hand in the first video. You can almost always see If a guitarist plays (or also play) flamenco or not.

Thomas, das erste Video erinnert mich auch ein bisschen an die Boleros von Vicente.



rojarosguitar -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 15:26:01)

Speaking of short breaks from flamenco (well I have plenty of them when I do other things that need to be done or I like to do [;)]), here again another touch to the issue of rhythm and giutar:

http://youtu.be/KXzgWTZ2NW0

BTW how did you embedd the youtube videos in your posts?

best
Robert



Arash -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 15:47:37)

Just edit your post and delete everything which comes after the "&" (including the "&") in the link of your video and it should work.



mark indigo -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 18 2014 21:10:43)

quote:

This is a portuguese guitar:

Check out Carlos Paredes, he is the master on this instrument.

Regarding the original video I posted, it's a mix between portuguese music, flamenco, proggy fusion...

thanks for the info[:)]



Thomas -> RE: A short break from flamenco (Apr. 19 2014 7:00:47)

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Thomas, das erste Video erinnert mich auch ein bisschen an die Boleros von Vicente.


Da ist was dran, Arash...allerdings ist Vicente doch der elegantere Gitarrist.

Here is a vid of Arcangel's new project:




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