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mark74 -> flamenco and money (Mar. 14 2014 16:47:49)

Is there anyone other than the Gipsy Kings making millions of dollars in flamenco these days?

Maybe the Conde brothers is the only other I can think of



Richard Jernigan -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 14 2014 18:32:49)

Tomatito and his sextet sold out the 1270 seat Paramount theater in Austin a couple of weeks ago. My ticket was $71.00. It wasn't the best seat, it wasn't the worst. Using that as an average, the total take was over $90,000.00. The concert was put on by the Austin Classical Guitar society, a 501c non-profit organization.

The theater rental for non-profits is listed as $1750. ACGS couldn't have nicked off very much and remained a non-profit. Travel would have been Tomatito & company's main expense. To Spain and back would be pretty expensive, but they have a number of other dates in the USA, so it averages out.

I would think they must be clearing at least $60K per show. Tomatito is the star, so I would think he gets the lion's share. It's not really, really big money, but if he can keep it up for a few years, he ought to make out OK.

RNJ



bernd -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 14 2014 18:44:31)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

Is there anyone other than the Gipsy Kings making millions of dollars in flamenco these days?

The Gipsy Kings are rumberos and not flamencos. If you want to make money you should play lots of rumbas - and the people celebrate you as the new great flamenco guitarist [;)]



Arash -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 14 2014 20:39:53)

nowadays even rumberos and condes suffer dude.

we're all in the same boat now

time to develop an iphone nude scanner app showing dressed girls naked , and make some money.



Leñador -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 14 2014 20:57:16)

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time to develop an iphone nude scanner app showing dressed girls naked , and make some money.

Shockingly, you're late on that idea. [:D]




tele -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 16 2014 12:33:23)

Many people here in andalucia say that many artists don't get into flamenco even if they have talent, simply because it's very difficult to make money with flamenco, as there's very little fans of flamenco even in andalucia, it's more the rumba and pop music with phrygian scale that makes all the money. It's just not commercial type of music



Ricardo -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 16 2014 13:42:06)

I will never forget after 2 years completed of my "Music Industry major" in school I was first day of my 3rd year finally taking interesting classes and my "legal aspects of music business" class the teacher announced excitedly...."the music industry is a 4 BILLION dollar industry....."....the students were all gasping with excitement, as their parents probably told them there is no future in music, find a fall back career yadayada.....so here was I thinking ...."4 billion...hmmm, THATS ALL??? We have to compete against Michael Jackson Paul McArtney and what ever flavor of the month to get our little piece of that small pie????" some rich A hole could easily buy the entire industry and cancel it all out. I made a conscious decision at that moment, forget about making "money" ....for that go into business. Music is about the soul. Money will come if you are true to your self no matter what you choose, but to expect something is not realistic when you look at the math involved. So I decided flamenco would be my thing, forget the "industry"...and when internet arrives I can market and manage myself as I please.

and so here i am. only surprise to me was that spotify streaming crap that annoyed me. a little



Ruphus -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 16 2014 15:06:19)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

only surprise to me was that spotify streaming crap that annoyed me. a little



You havn´t seen the conditions for literature writers yet.

With the capitalist routine of preventing technological production innovations from becoming beneficial to the people, the introduction of digital printing machines was instantly turned away from becoming little man´s publishing option for little money.

Instead major octopusses like BoD came to be and wedged themselves in between to then deprive authors of their shares in unseen proprotions.
You really got to wonder how such can be legal at all.

Ruphus



tele -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 17 2014 13:08:52)

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ORIGINAL: Ruphus

You really got to wonder how such can be legal at all.



The sh*tstem is about 50% illegal in my opinion.



Ruphus -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 17 2014 15:11:35)

Quote from my contract:
quote:


Ladenpreis: 19.59 EUR
Marge netto: 1.02 EUR
Datenhaltungskosten inkl. 19% USt. (monatlich): 1.99 EUR


Meaning:
"Retail price: € 19.59*
Author´s share: € 1.02"
And not enough after the initial expenses on publishing:
"Monthly data storing fees, tax inclusive: € 1.99"
( * For a little, miserable paperback version, mind you!)

These guys are cashing in in the way of similar market introductions, like Pay... ( the major internet payment service), etc.
Obviously started by big shots who need to put their booty somewhere from creaming off from states and manipulating stock exchange, while holding states official strings already in their hands. Staying untouched no matter how and used to multiplying their enormous funds several times per year.
And just like Pay... won´t do with their extraordinary fees, allowing themselves to scam off additionally through a self-imposed currency exchange rate once more ( always to the disadvanatge of the customer, independently of exchange direction), BoD maintains similar clearly illegitimate yet immune conditions, like leaving the author with a ridiculous 5%, after having already milked off initially.

No legal system of a democracy could allow such usury.

Ruphus



tele -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 17 2014 16:52:25)

if you start talking about pay*** then the real criminal part starts with the treatment of sellers. Unfortunately on ebay it's necessary to have one. The important part is try to keep always minimal amount of money on the account.



mark74 -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 17 2014 16:57:39)

Its too bad that so much work has such little financial reward. Even as a hobby. There's nothing creating demand for it though and that's the problem. What happened to the good old days when Spaniards were willing to risk getting their hearts pulled out on top of pyramid altars in the pursuit of gold and glory..



Ruphus -> RE: flamenco and money (Mar. 17 2014 18:19:11)

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ORIGINAL: tele

if you start talking about pay*** then the real criminal part starts with the treatment of sellers. Unfortunately on ebay it's necessary to have one. The important part is try to keep always minimal amount of money on the account.


But not too much.
I had some hundred bucks on such an account laying idle. After years it was not possible to get a hold of the money, and pay*** would pretend to be deaf ( either responding with unrelated preset mails or personel sturdily answering like brain amputated robots, until you´d just give up).
I found out that they seem to routingly embezzle "orphaned" accounts. And they manage to clean the internet from customer complaints mentioning such! ( Almost all of the links were leading to "server won´t respond" message.)
Had to engage a lawyer to get my money back.
Seems they took revange not long afterwards by instigating my online trading bank to kick me out without explanation.


quote:

ORIGINAL: mark74

Its too bad that so much work has such little financial reward. Even as a hobby. There's nothing creating demand for it though and that's the problem.


All bound to image and PR.
Let another Wim Wenders movie discover Flamenco Social Club in Jerez or some Lady Gaga feature a couple of pieces incorporating juerga images and there you go.
Any combo with a guitar and whirling girls will be booked for years.
Half the world will be swearing how hard it is to master weird chords and picado; Ibanez and Alhambra will be chopping off Malaysian jungle to meet the new demand, and our luthiers will apologize for being vastly absent as they have no time left after making 10-grands axes.

Ruphus



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