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Morante -> El Torta (Dec. 31 2013 11:14:38)

Adiós a un gran cantaor. Juan Moneo passed away this madrugada from cardiac failure at his home in Sanlúcar. He was 60 years old. R.I.P and condolences to his family.



avimuno -> RE: El Torta (Dec. 31 2013 13:21:52)

Such sad news!



edguerin -> RE: El Torta (Dec. 31 2013 13:24:09)

¡ DEP !



mezzo -> RE: El Torta (Dec. 31 2013 17:16:21)

this new year begins with such a sad news.
I began to appreciate his arte not so long ago. I'm gonna enjoy his stuff more, no doubt.
DEP.



Andy Culpepper -> RE: El Torta (Dec. 31 2013 22:41:18)

Sad news, incredible cantaor. Another great one from Jerez gone..



machopicasso -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 10:07:29)

For those not familiar with him, here's a clip:


What other clips would people recommend?



Morante -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 14:11:20)

Hoy, mi mujer se fué a la casa de sus padres. Me quedé solo. Hice un arroz de los restos de una gran comida de cordero, y pusé el disco de la familia de los Moneo, grabado hace pocos años en directo, toda la familia sentado alrededor de una mesa. Algunos cantes accompañado de nudos, otros con la guitarra magistral de Moraíto.

Este es para llorar, este el la pura verdad de flamenco.



changue -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 17:24:23)

I doubt if I'll be the only one on here to be struck by that last post of Morante's.

In the circumstances, I hesitate to add anything but I thought the following might be worthwhile:

There's a superb collection, "Al Aire de Jerez" (Nuevos Medios 2006), one of the three CDs is as Morante describes, exactly. There is also Jerez: Fiesta y Cante Jondo (Auvidis 1991) El Torta and his distinguished brother Manuel sing on that. If you want to know what cante gitano sounds like, look no further.


Mis mas sinceras condolencias a sus familiares.

Changue



mark74 -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 18:10:09)

Can someone translate Morante's post?

I think he says "Today my woman went to her parents house. I remained alone. I made rice with lamb(?) and put on a record of the Moneo famiy recorded directly of the family sitting around a table. Some songs were unaccompanied and others were accompanied by the majestic guitar of Moraito.

This is for crying, this is the true pure flamenco."



changue -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 18:20:41)

I'm not a great expert. You got the gist of it. Here are a few notes that might help:

quote:

accompañado de nudos
knuckles, rapping on the table.

"en directo" means live, recorded live.

"hace pocos años en direct" - a few years ago, live…

"Este es para llorar" - I would interpret this as, "It would reduce you to tears".



Morante -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 19:19:47)

Sorry for writing in Spanish, but we are all very upset here and emotions are easier to express in Spanish.

The other disc, recorded at the same time and in the same way es de la Familia de La Morena and is also of great value.

Curro, the brother of Fernando de La Morena, seldom sang on stage but many considered him the better cantaor. He died suddenly when, a week later, he was to sing at Viernes Flamencos. That night, Fernando dedicated a seguiriyas to Curro but burst into tears and could not finish the cante.

Anyone who wants to understand the present structure and closeknit nature of the familias gitanas de Santiago should read "Flamencos de la Gañanía" by Estela Zatania.



pink -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 19:41:35)

An apology is not needed or expected...I hope I can speak for all with this.
The translation I could find was much like Mark74 and although perhaps not accurate /exact , enough .
Loss, be it personal from the perspective of one known to us or from the perspective of a common ''link'' such as the love of a musical form is, either way huge. I am/was not familiar with the works of El Torta or the family but am sorry to all family ,friends or lovers of the music which was given/shared. My condolences to all.

Best

pink



Andy Culpepper -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 20:56:08)

This tangos by El Torta is one of my favorites ever. Does anyone know (Morante?) if he created this letra and tune? I've never heard a tangos quite like it before but I've heard it sung more recently by Canelita.




koenie17 -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 21:04:23)

[&o] Another genius from Jerez has left us...
Have a great juerga up there with all the other ones.
Hasta siempre maestro!



mark indigo -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 1 2014 22:17:36)

i had a few of his recordings like Colores Morenos which I listened to a lot....
RIP



orsonw -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 2 2014 17:25:54)




mark indigo -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 9 2014 18:48:01)

this thread is too short

here a little clip from Carlos Saura's film "Flamenco"



and here a longer clip with the whole of that bulerías




kudo -> [Deleted] (Jan. 10 2014 4:44:19)

Post has been moved to the Recycle Bin at Jan. 18 2014 4:12:34



mark74 -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 11 2014 9:31:39)

Is that really an appropriate comment on a thread like this? This thread was created to honor an artist who passed away show some respect



machopicasso -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 11 2014 10:31:22)

quote:

this thread is too short

here a little clip from Carlos Saura's film "Flamenco"


Thanks for posting those!



Brendan -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 12 2014 16:49:02)

http://youtu.be/rixe2faz0w0



changue -> RE: El Torta (Jan. 12 2014 19:32:09)

Roquero! Ole!



devilhand -> RE: El Torta (Dec. 25 2020 17:03:48)

quote:

Hoy, mi mujer se fué a la casa de sus padres. Me quedé solo. Hice un arroz de los restos de una gran comida de cordero, y pusé el disco de la familia de los Moneo, grabado hace pocos años en directo, toda la familia sentado alrededor de una mesa. Algunos cantes accompañado de nudos, otros con la guitarra magistral de Moraíto.

Este es para llorar, este el la pura verdad de flamenco.

What was the title of this recording of Moneo family?



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