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Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 3:56:00)

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How is Korn's music simpler than the Beatles' Twist and Shout? If anything, music is becoming more complex.


Twist and Shout is early Beatles. I had the good fortune of learning to play guitar from a person who came of age in the 60's. He told me that as the Beatles learned music theory they incorporated it into their music and that this was how people from his generation learned theory. Can the same be said of Korn and their contemporaries? Doubtful. Korn's lead singer stated he didn't even "have to sing in tune" when singing their music.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 15:08:37)

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ORIGINAL: Morante

Hey folks

We were talking about flamenco. I expressed a somewhat "Luddite" view of Leyenda del Tiempo, although I am by no means a Luddite[:D]

I also included a link which went some way to support this view.

What about some opinions on the importance of the record?

But remember you cannot understand flamenco without understanding the social history of Spain. Everything is subject to the general historic changes.


I don't see how the article supports your contentions. As far as I can tell, it said it was a commercial failure that needed 35 years of perspective and re-mastering to be seen for its true quality. I am surprised that they put it together so quickly and without much preparation. What struck me as a planned salvo against convention was really a half-improvised, drug-fueled party that got recorded. However, I have to admit my Spanish is primitive and I had to resort to a translator. Here is a memorable line from the translator:

"But under the umbrella of the Flemish name is entering a number of horrific ****."



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 21:18:09)

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I will just add that here in Scotland in the seventies we had a lot of earnest and nationalistic programming featuring Scottish music.

We do not any longer as the four old channells have to compete with the sea of cable tripe. So now we get light stuff with 'folk fusion' and at hogmanay lots of bands who play ceildh music with rock sensibility at rock tempo with a light show.


My profound sympathies. I remember with loathing the old “stage Scottish” programming with the likes of Andy Stewart and Jimmy Shand (although a Scottish friend of mine defends the latter stoutly on the grounds that he kept Scots folk music going when no one else gave a toss about it).

It seems to me that the Beeb understands neither folk music nor the people who like it, and never has: the one consistently good programme I remember was It’s the Corries, and that was largely because they insisted on being in control (they even had Paco de Lucía as a guest once—he played Monasterio de Sal)



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 21:39:57)

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Mass digital photography is way worse than film and printing.


Dubious: it depends what you want.

I’ll grant you that nothing yet seems to be able to match Kodachrome.

But I have an Olympus OM-4 and a complete range of lenses sitting in my closet, and I hardly touch them any more. It’s too convenient:

• Not paying for film, nor running out at the wrong moment
• Being able to see the shot immediately
• Not paying (or waiting) for development
• Being able to stick the complete works in my pocket.

Now I can do what I didn’t have the money to do in the days of film: take dozens of pictures and just junk the ones I don’t like.

So I need the OM-4 if I’m going to want the 500mm for my nephew’s baseball games (he got drafted by the Cincinnati Reds last year); or the 50mm/1.4 for low-light photography; or bounce flash.

That’s about it.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 21:40:52)

It is true that the shortbread tin connotations were unfortunate but it is a mistake to discount the musicians (half arsed operatic singers possibly excluded). Shand for example had awesome compas.

And with the light of hindsight take another look at Jagger and Bowie and tell yourself that fashion doesn't make fools of us all. And why did Eric Clapton become more famous than a generation of fiddlers ?

Ally Bain had a great show too (not sure of the broadcast dates but early eighties I think).

D.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 22:22:45)

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Shand for example had awesome compas.


He needed to; he played for dancers, after all.

I do respect him actually; it’s just not my cup of tea.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 12 2013 23:14:52)

Hey Paul you know Scottish music hasn't really skipped a beat.

My Dad played a three row diatonic accordian with same fingering as shand in both hands. He had superb control over his tone and dynamics, I seldom hear him rivalled. This was most annoying as he had been a child prodigy and played ten hours a year in total. Drunk and only when pressed and with perfect pitch and alarming recall scuffling about for fingering without ever dropping a beat.

For years I dismissed the two and three piece dance hall sound (tow or three of fiddle accordian and drums) as old fashioned and dry.

Then about two years ago I was prepping to play with a friend who was a fiddler so I thought it would be great to listen to some accordian and copy the chording.

So off I went on a run mp3 player full of, as it turn out, solo accordian. It took a while for the penny to drop but I ended the run absolutely awestruck by the musicianship.

Dry as a bone but I find that as I get older I am more and more drawn to asceticism.
And I got a lot more ideas about interesting chordal moves than I ever get listening to the guitar in folk.

Good to see you active. I hope life is treating you well.

D.



pjn -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 15 2013 5:04:13)

Actually "Twist and Shout" is not a Beatles song; written in 1961 and a hit for the Isley Brothers.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's? (Dec. 15 2013 15:36:09)

I think guitar is just a hard instrument. These keyboard instruments allow a 1-to-1 ratio between sound and movement and it just keeps better (not to take anything away from your dad, he sounds infuriatingly talented). I can play contrapuntal piano pieces I just learned and don't touch for a month even though I'm a beginner. I ran into this fellow, Augie, in a restaurant, and was amazed at what an accordion can do.

http://www.augieperforms.com/Audio_Samples.html



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