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Haithamflamenco -> head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 11:35:58)

Hi guys,

I draw some headstock shapes for flamenco guitar,

tell me what do you think,

and if the shape exists already, loool [:D]

and its free [:D][:D][:D]

exchange with a guitar[:D][:D]







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Morante -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 15:46:38)

These shapes are of no value: too difficult to make, too easy to damage and not easily recognizible. You need to change the chip.



Arash -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 16:29:41)

yes man, these are not good.

here is something i made and i think could be the future conde headstock design



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Leñador -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 16:39:35)

Good thing you copyrighted that! [:D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 17:03:09)

@Arash

I know you'll believe me when I say that I immediately thought of "that" when I first read this post. [:D]


It would be an awesome match with one of those vaginal patterned backs.



Arash -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 17:23:37)

Yes i believe you. But too late, i have the copyright now :)

Ok, just in case one of the protective members should show up and tell me i should grow up or something, here is a preemptive strike i designed together with Mr. Griffin, specially for them ...

This is a special design for a 7/8 student classical guitar which can also be used for flamenco.



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Sr. Martins -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 17:26:55)

Brian would have loved it.



tijeretamiel -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 17:39:13)

I hate to say I probably laughed a far amount more than I probably should have done at Arash's 'new Conde' design.



tele -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 17:47:56)

Nothing else comes to mind?
quote:

ORIGINAL: Arash

yes man, these are not good.

here is something i made and i think could be the future conde headstock design




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RobJe -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 19:19:01)

No need to use your imagination - visit some burial paces and you will find every design - well perhaps there are a couple here that would be missing.

Rob





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Arash -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 19:32:34)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RobJe
well perhaps there are a couple here that would be missing.

Rob



ok this is kind of morbid, but if you look carefully you will also find the missing ones



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RobJe -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 20:36:51)

quote:

if you look carefully you will also find the missing ones


Quite elevating to know that everything can be found



Andy Culpepper -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 20:59:40)

When I was in Mississippi I found a grave stone with my exact headstock design! I'll see if I can find the picture...



beno -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 21:18:00)

the second shape is near to José Romero's headstock design



El Kiko -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 21:56:27)

If I was going to use the guitar as a weapon , i would go with a number 2 or your designs ..with that one i think i could catch a conde player no problem , damage his rasgueardo wrist and win the bout .....

pretty unbeatable ...unless you got one of these....thats what am talking 'bout



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Haithamflamenco -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 3 2013 22:36:40)

Woooow
That was really encouraging!!!!!!

What happen to this forum!!!!

@ morante - what chip you mean!?!?

@ Arash - Jesus!!

@ Rui - Jesus!!

@ rogue - thank you , I used to look at Islamic or catholic buildings gates or entrance , too imagine a headstock

@ andy - thank you

@ beno - thank you

@ kiko - not sure what u are talking about

Guys I am really into guitars building, I start guitars repair, I would consider the post back from luthier , but some post I felt disrespectful to me.

I would love to discuss the post in luthierity and creativity way.

I know I added some lughing icons at the first post, but it didn't mean that i was jocking,

Now , I remember why I abandon this forum,

Haithamflamenco



Arash -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 5:23:11)

don't take this too serious man, no disrespect intended. sorry for the BS pictures. i should shift down a gear anyway, posting too much BS recently. i promise to be more sober, peace. time for another formal apology form.



RobJe -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 8:26:05)

quote:

I would love to discuss the post in luthierity and creativity way.


My comparison of headstocks with tombstones was meant to be serious. By convention (and to some extent constraint) they both have bilateral symmetry with the main scope for variation at one end. For anyone interested in design (and social history), burial grounds are good places to visit. If am staying for any length of time in place that I have not been to before, I usually visit a few graveyards with my camera. The pictures I posted were taken in Norfolk, UK.

Removing the convention for symmetry (there are examples in other kinds of guitar) would provide scope for a whole new range of designs. Of course if you are making a peghead you no longer have to have straight sides. You would have to ask yourself whether guitarists might be too conservative to buy a guitar which branched out significantly from the conventional appearance.

Incidentally there are other shared practical constraints. As a player I would not want a headstock with sharp and fragile looking projections like the ones in your design – I would not trust myself to avoid backing into a wall and snap bits off. Tombstones have a similar problem with frost damage.

My choice? I like simplicity, functionality and elegance – not easy to define, but I know what I like when I see it!

Rob



Ruphus -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 9:46:49)

I find your examples with tombstones really amazing, Rob. As if these were exactly pegheads!
Interesting to hear of your explanation about splinter.
Sounds very plausible as background to practical design.

Aesthetically I really like the second stone.
Somehow stylized and still within convention.

Ruphus

PS:
Arash, when having time between googling up genitals could you please have a look at the paper sent and let me know whether you can translate it or not?

Just had another experience at the vet and can only emphasize how spreading some rational is really urgently needed if you care about preventing atrocity.



Haithamflamenco -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 11:47:36)

@Arash

quote:

don't take this too serious man, no disrespect intended. sorry for the BS pictures. i should shift down a gear anyway, posting too much BS recently. i promise to be more sober, peace. time for another formal apology form.


arash, nevermind, but I was shoked with the genitals drwaing, it is like you ask a frined of you about a drwaing and he show you this!!! looool , that is so insane joke mannn , still love you old persian friend[;)]

@RobJe

quote:

My comparison of headstocks with tombstones was meant to be serious. By convention (and to some extent constraint) they both have bilateral symmetry with the main scope for variation at one end. For anyone interested in design (and social history), burial grounds are good places to visit. If am staying for any length of time in place that I have not been to before, I usually visit a few graveyards with my camera. The pictures I posted were taken in Norfolk, UK.

Removing the convention for symmetry (there are examples in other kinds of guitar) would provide scope for a whole new range of designs. Of course if you are making a peghead you no longer have to have straight sides. You would have to ask yourself whether guitarists might be too conservative to buy a guitar which branched out significantly from the conventional appearance.

Incidentally there are other shared practical constraints. As a player I would not want a headstock with sharp and fragile looking projections like the ones in your design – I would not trust myself to avoid backing into a wall and snap bits off. Tombstones have a similar problem with frost damage.

My choice? I like simplicity, functionality and elegance – not easy to define, but I know what I like when I see it!

Rob


as I thank you before , I thank you again, but I find talking a shape of head stocke from a grave yeard is a little bit sad to me, i feel like darkness, this is how I feel, if i would build a guitar.

@Ruphus

I really like the headstock on your profile photo


I am fantasise by the flamenco gutiar head stock, I belive it gives a personality to the guitar, I really strong appearance head stock gives a strong charstracitis to the guitar, this is what i feel.



Haithamflamenco -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 11:54:56)

some examples from Islamic gates



El Burdo -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 4 2013 23:05:52)

quote:

some examples from Islamic gates

That's really interesting - though I think they are too complicated, and would divert the eye from the subtle flowing lines of the instrument. It had never occurred to me.

I suppose they are examples of designs using a reflection transformation if I remember my school maths aright. That leaves heads using a rotation, or a translation transformation to consider I guess. Whatever, simple is better for me.



Haithamflamenco -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 5 2013 9:49:41)

quote:

That's really interesting - though I think they are too complicated, and would divert the eye from the subtle flowing lines of the instrument. It had never occurred to me.

I suppose they are examples of designs using a reflection transformation if I remember my school maths aright. That leaves heads using a rotation, or a translation transformation to consider I guess. Whatever, simple is better for me.


can you expalin more about this!!! that is really intersting



Haithamflamenco -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 5 2013 9:58:41)

here are more inspirational exampels

loot at this one




and this one



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El Burdo -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 5 2013 14:17:38)

They are beautiful (and built on symmetrical reflection).

This is what I meant ... and I think it's pretty obvious why reflection is the most pleasing!



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TANúñez -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 6 2013 13:15:36)

The very first guitar I built had an ornate head design. I remember being very excited trying to come up with something new. When I finished I realized just how time consuming it was and decided never to use it again so I changed it for something more elegant and refined. Here is a pic of that very first design.



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TANúñez -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 6 2013 13:16:58)

This is my current head design.



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bernd -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 7 2013 3:17:19)

Oh Tom... that looks like chinese birdcage [:D]



TANúñez -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 7 2013 15:06:28)

precisely



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Anders Eliasson -> RE: head stock design from my imagination (Dec. 7 2013 15:34:04)

quote:

here are more inspirational exampels


Haitham, I actually think the bottom picture has a potential for a headstock.



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