guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 0:16:36)
Sure, why not.
Could be lots of other things depending on the situation.
D.
Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 0:55:44)
A dominant flat 9 sus 4?????[:D]
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 1:19:34)
Yup. But like I say you need more for context to give it a name reliably.
The style of nomenclature I prefer assumes that the player will add a seventh and colour tones as appropriate to the key,style and mood.
I would assume that this is a suspension on the tonic por arriba and would include a g if I felt like it. In this case if I were writing a chart for other players and in particular non guitarists I'd probably just writ Aalt.
No big deal.
D.
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 1:31:35)
I'm curious now as to why you asked ?
D.
Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 1:40:52)
I've been seein it here and there in some por medio bidness I've been working on and wanted know a lil more about it before I go trusting it.[:D]
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Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 2:04:45)
Informative AND entertaining to read! You've got a gift Kiko![:D]
El Kiko -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 2:07:12)
feck it ...this is soo simple ..I cant .....i cant ....
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Guest -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 6:23:57)
misleading on the useful site as it contains no 7th nor a fifth assuming A is the root but they should describe it as Bbmaj7b5/A....more commonly seen as Bbmaj7#11 could work in a jazz sense but it is a 'tonic' or 'home' chord so it would be best described as an A something...
A7 alt {easiest most accurate...b9 add 11 ] sus 4 also describes it though the suspension is an upper extension...ie after the flattened 9th
or it could be Em7b5/A Gm6/A among other things but not as a home or tonic chord
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rickm -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 13:25:51)
don't know what its called but its a old blues chord, you bend the 2 keith Richards uses it a lot as in honky tonk women
Arash -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 15:52:33)
this one is used a lot in more modern bulerias. makes the A Phrygian more exciting. example: starting 0:25, the whole time...
Diego del Morao also uses it a lot (as barre chord)
Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 18:27:13)
That makes sense, Diego is one of my teachers favorite players. In the context were using it's an A root. These answers are fascinating for me though and good for my theory homework.
Arash -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 19:13:14)
he changes between the two as he sees fit and its not something predetermined or something
(yours) 4 7 7 6 4 X
(the more common) 4 6 7 6 4 X
Here from 1:26 to 1:35 you can also see how he switches from one to the other (at 1:30) and back
mark indigo -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 24 2013 21:29:46)
quote:
What chord is this?????
if you're playing por medio, it's an A chord.... with some extra flavours[;)]
ok, it's got a flat9 ....or a flat 2 if you prefer, doesn't really matter,
and a sus4 ....or an 11 if you like, whatever....
lots of people use it. Just off the top of my head check out the Rito Y Geografia of Diego del Gastor playing one of the few solos by him on film por bulerías. And the Pepe Habichuela Encuentro vid (I think in the Soleá por Bulería).
he uses it right at the start, and again between falsetas
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 12:09:57)
That site is a long way from being useful. And even when it is finished it would be better to ask a musician.
D.
Arash -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 15:57:11)
quote:
ORIGINAL: mark indigo
Just off the top of my head check out the Rito Y Geografia of Diego del Gastor playing one of the few solos by him on film por bulerías.
he uses it right at the start, and again between falsetas
he uses it in a different "context". In his chord progression (vid you posted) he uses it instead of the usual Bb. Whereas in the other examples its used instead of the usual A / as the root chord.
mark indigo -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 16:20:40)
quote:
he uses it in a different "context".
what context was it being used in that Lenador was asking about?
I realised after posting that it was being used more as a Bb chord in the Diego vid....
....in which case that means it would be a Bbmaj7b5?
but if you play Ab9 in place of a Bb chord, you wouldn't then call it a Bb minor major7 flat 5 would you?
or maybe you would....?
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 17:27:55)
In por medio there are four commonly used PEDAL tones. Tonic fifth and the b9(tritone from the fifth) and dominant seventh..
You could keep these pedals and move harmony around against them. Eg C7-B7-Bb7 with pedal open g and e or BbMaj7 over open A string is common.
When I am not sure what is happening with the harmony then I try and find the blandest possible harmonisation with a triad on either I IV V for diatonic music or the simplest modal progression which typifies the mode (vi V IV III with III as the rooot for por medio). This must support the melody completely of the moment completely and be part of a convinging progression which uses this restricted harmonic pallet.
In the given example it could be literally anything depending on what else is happening.
Could be C9 with a pedal A and E or its minor anticipation Gm. B major. Could be Dm with a B6. Could be E half diminished on its way to an interlude in Dm.
Without context the question of naming is moot.
D.
Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 19:01:58)
In the context of a tangos letra ending and it being the last chord played subbing for a traditional Amaj I think it's an Ab9sus4 no? [:D]
Arash -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 20:05:58)
I am not sure if a single chord can have an "Aire" like certain keys, tunings, etc. can create specific Aires but if so, then i would say this single chord has definately a JEREZ Aire. Imo its more interesting as a barre chord (specially in a bulerias) where you play all over the fretboard like C#, D# and there it has its full "potential", rather than what diego del gastor did for instance. I am not sure but for instance i think i have almost never seen Vicente Amigo using it in El Mandaito live performances for instance or Paco using it in Soniquete, etc. What they do more is playing the first E string open inbetween which again creates a different aire.
Diego loves it though, here is another example of him using it in a Tangos a lot (7th fret, capo 1st fret, 0:33 ...... )
or maybe its Montse who always wants to have it ;)
Ok flamenco nerd alert. (I love this chord btw) A whole thread about a single chord lol
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 20:28:51)
quote:
ORIGINAL: Lenador
In the context of a tangos letra ending and it being the last chord played subbing for a traditional Amaj I think it's an Ab9sus4 no? [:D]
Since you are insisting it is not any kind of Ab chord. It is an A chord. You could write it like this Asus(b9). But whenever you write say Dflat people will think you mean well Dflat.
Anyway I am mostly past caring at this point. Any good gags though at least let everyone see em.
D.
Leñador -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 21:01:44)
quote:
Anyway I am mostly past caring at this point. Any good gags though at least let everyone see em.
LOL Fine, what has two legs and bleeds? Half a dog...............
El Kiko -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 21:11:05)
but it should be a musical joke .......and since you are talking theory ....
Q..What do you get if you drop a piano down a mine shaft ?
A.. A Flat Minor (Miner)
mezzo -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 21:18:46)
a puzzlement :
Q: Ab9sus4add11rest3multiply6(is?)
[:D]
guitarbuddha -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 25 2013 23:20:28)
Well now I guess I know what I have been missing.
D.
El Burdo -> RE: What chord is this????? (Nov. 26 2013 12:37:54)
Yep, sus4 b9 but a jazz musician would also recognise it as A Phrygian. The associated scale/mode would use the minor 7th interval which would seem to fit the overall dominant tonality of much flamenco.
