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Sr. Martins -> White thing on the tie block (Oct. 4 2013 19:54:06)

Hi,

Is there any luthier in europe who would be willing to send me one of those white things that go on top of the tie block? I like the simple ones that have more white than anything else (like most of the Condes). It can be the cheapest/thinnest piece of crap as long as it looks good because I dont tie the strings around the block.


Thanks [sm=Smiley Guitar.gif]



Anders Eliasson -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 5 2013 15:03:05)

Maybe this is what you are looking for
http://www.madinter.com/adorno-para-puente.html

I dont use them myself. I just inlay 2 strips of bone in the tieblock.



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 5 2013 15:31:33)

Thanks Anders, thats exactly the thing I want. Ive sanded maybe half of the tie block (dont know why they make them so bulky) and now it looks a bit bland (plain rosewood).

Do you know where can I get the white ones without any brown on them?


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La compra mínima del pedido no puede ser inferior a 20,00 €.


Awesome [:D]



Richard Jernigan -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 5 2013 17:16:09)

Welcome back Anders. I'm glad to see you here again.

RNJ



jshelton5040 -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 5 2013 22:49:09)

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ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

Do you know where can I get the white ones without any brown on them?



Why don't you just get a couple of bone saddle blanks, edge glue them, sand them to thickness and cut the finished product to fit your tie block? It doesn't seem like a big deal to accomplish.



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 5 2013 23:31:33)

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Why don't you just get a couple of bone saddle blanks, edge glue them, sand them to thickness and cut the finished product to fit your tie block? It doesn't seem like a big deal to accomplish.


Yes, that was my idea. I can get rectangular blanks and they are easy to cut but they are around 2,8mm thick... I really wanted to avoid sanding bone and this would involve lots of sanding. Not to mention that it would be REALLY hard to sand a 2,8mm piece by hand. [:'(]



constructordeguitarras -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 2:18:02)

Some saddle blanks may be wide enough (about 0.5 inch?) to cover your tieblock without gluing two together. LMII sells a Bone shim, 3.25" x .475" x .020"



Anders Eliasson -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 9:35:50)

I think this should do the thing. take meassures and se if its the size.

http://www.madinter.com/para-guitarra-clasica/incrustaciones/hueso-chapa.html



The reason you put bone on a tieblock is not esthetical. Its a reinforcement. I wouldnt make it thinner than 1,5mm

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Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 14:31:23)

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The reason you put bone on a tieblock is not esthetical. Its a reinforcement. I wouldnt make it thinner than 1,5mm


I always thought that the bone/whatever thing on the tie block was used because of the wear that the strings do to the bare wood.


Is my tie block in danger right now or that only applies to a really low tie block (like the ones where the holes are about to touch the bone/adorn piece)?



TANúñez -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 14:49:51)

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I always thought that the bone/whatever thing on the tie block was used because of the wear that the strings do to the bare wood.


Yes that's what Anders means by it being a reinforcement. Your strings will begin to wear out the wood without some type block inlay.



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 16:05:41)

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Yes that's what Anders means by it being a reinforcement. Your strings will begin to wear out the wood without some type block inlay.


That means I dont need any reinforcement, right? (I dont do ties around the block)



constructordeguitarras -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 17:01:04)

It sounds like you don't need reinforcement, assuming you tie the strings to buttons below the bridge or something like that.



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 17:40:04)

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It sounds like you don't need reinforcement, assuming you tie the strings to buttons below the bridge or something like that.


I think so too.

The thing is that a plain unfinished rosewood tie block doesnt look that hot. [:D]

I like this look, thats why I wouldnt mind an all white tie block adorn.. maybe I'll have to go trhough the hassle of sanding bone but I think a piece of plastic would suffice.





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TANúñez -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 17:52:40)

Bone isn't really that difficult or much of a hassle to sand down. At least for me it hasn't been. It just takes a little time.



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 6 2013 18:17:15)

Ive been thinking about it. I could glue the bone to a surface, wet sand it with a block and it would be quicker, easier and the water would keep the dust (and smell) down.

I wouldnt use any water if I was making a saddle but since its just a tie block adorn, I guess its ok... I can put it under a heat lamp (infra red) to dry it faster.

Which glue should I use? CA?



constructordeguitarras -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Oct. 7 2013 12:30:30)

Rui-

I like your avatar picture. Is that actually a picture of you?

Beware that bone is made of both mineral and protein and can warp if one side is dried more quickly than the other--so it might be best to hang it up to dry--though for a thin piece to be glued down it may not matter if it warps.

White (polyvinylalcohol), yellow (aliphatic resin), or Super (cyanoacrylate) glues all could be used. I have found the yellow glue is the more permanent way for gluing bone to wood (bridges). But since it requires clamping, you might prefer to use Super glue, which is sometimes permanent and sometimes not. Or you could apply yellow glue, tape it in place, then weight it instead of clamping it.

(Some people seem to use epoxy cement, and I used to, but I had a bad experience with it once--a guitar came back because the tieblock overlay had come off--so I never use it any more.)

I also liked your idea to wet sand. I hate inhaling bone dust, and who knows...mad cow disease....



SephardRick -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Jun. 12 2014 19:31:08)

Hey Rui,

Did you modify your tie block? I'm curious how it might have turned out. This something I might try too.

Rick



Sr. Martins -> RE: White thing on the tie block (Jun. 12 2014 19:37:38)

I rarely use that guitar nowadays so I just glued one of those decorative hard plastics that come on cheap guitars. It's still in place and looks good but someday I might glue bone in there.



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