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Nav30 -> ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 4:46:34)

Hey guys ! I'm about to graduate high school and will have some time up my sleeve. I am keen to undergo worthwhile experiences, especially in terms of music , specifically but not limited to guitar. I live in Australia , but am willing to travel. Any suggestions please ? guitar apprenticeships, guitar internship, guitar constructing , spanish guitar studies etc….. details/websites would be great, Thanks very much everyone ! first post eva. ANY GENRE



Erik van Goch -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 19:46:23)

Welcome to the foro and greetings from holland. Can't help you with your question.



BarkellWH -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 20:06:19)

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I'm about to graduate high school and will have some time up my sleeve. I am keen to undergo worthwhile experiences, especially in terms of music , specifically but not limited to guitar. I live in Australia , but am willing to travel. Any suggestions please ? guitar apprenticeships, guitar internship, guitar constructing , spanish guitar studies etc…..


Welcome to the Foro, NAV30. As someone about to graduate high school with "some time" to "undergo worthwhile experiences," I suggest you focus a bit on what you really want to do with your time. You are young and all over the map with "music" "not necessarily limited to guitar." And when you do discuss guitar you cover the ground from learning to play to learning guitar-making (becoming a luthier) to apprenticeships, internships, etc.

No one can offer you advice if you haven't thought out what it is you really want to do yourself. So my "advice," if you can call it that, is to settle down and give some careful thought to how you can best utilize your time, and in order to do that, you have to determine what it is you want to do, and that applies to music as well as anything else.

Cheers,

Bill



Leñador -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 20:50:52)

Get a personal trainer, a singing coach and a manager and become a pop star!



aeolus -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 21:17:18)

Suggest you spend a year bumming around Europe. It's the history of western culture. A buddy would be useful and you will have to be willing to pick up odd jobs unless you have an annuity. I gather you haven't begun guitar studies so a year more or less won't matter. This is off the wall I know but it describes an experience a young man of your age had doing just that. It concerns the American writer/composer/translator Paul Bowles who cut short his first year in college in 1930 to travel to Paris with borrowed money and then using his skill as a pianist and intelligence managed to bum off such icons as Gertrude Stein. Terribly romantic and but perhaps you might be motivated by it.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/dec/29/paul-bowles-forgotten-night-tangiers



BarkellWH -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 4 2013 23:32:21)

Your obvious affection for Paul Bowles, Aeolus, has been demonstrated time and again. I have read Bowles from beginning to end, and I agree that he is an interesting character, although not the be all and end all of Western searching for the "meaning of it all" in the deserts of Morocco and Algeria, much less of Europe. Bowles, while interesting, does not offer a template for today's seekers of experience. this young man needs to find his own path, not the path that Bowles walked.

Cheers,

Bill



Nav30 -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 0:53:33)

Fair enough guys , I should have included more detail , here it is, and thank also.

Years playing - 4 years
Level - Intermediate
Aptitude - High

Looking for : Intensive course (2- 4weeks) in one or more of the following . 1) is most preferred

1) Guitar Playing
2) Gutair construction
3) Anything else music related

Of course, I'm assuming the people on this forum know alot about flamenco guitar opportunities.

Why did i make my first comment so broad in temrs of genres and opportunities ?
If someone was/is reading this thread and has a great idea but it doesnt fall under my specific criterions, it would be a real pity if they didnt post it and I missed out on a potetntially 'worthwhile' experience.



Guest -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 1:39:34)

Hi
For an ongoing experience
Without travelling abroad Australia does offer some fine luthiers
Jim Redgate comes to mind
Most cities offer flamenco studios with good guitarists to take courses with..
In Adelaide alone there are five active studios
Some Australian teachers are
Aloysius Leeson -Adelaide
Kieran Ray- Melbourne
Antony hadjion-Melbourne
Felipe Kuntz-Sydney
Andrew vievers-Brisbane
Damian wright-Sydney

We also have an international guitar festival which offers workshops during its course
Previous workshops included Jason McGuire, Paulo Bellanti, Elliot Fisk to name a few

Quite a bit going on our doorstep

Where are you in Oz?

Page should be up on google search



Graham_B -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 6:39:14)

What is your budget for this experience?



aeolus -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 10:20:53)

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Your obvious affection for Paul Bowles, Aeolus, has been demonstrated time and again. I have read Bowles from beginning to end, and I agree that he is an interesting character, although not the be all and end all of Western searching for the "meaning of it all" in the deserts of Morocco and Algeria, much less of Europe. Bowles, while interesting, does not offer a template for today's seekers of experience. this young man needs to find his own path, not the path that Bowles walked.


I only mentioned Bowles because it was a link to the story by the Guardian writer that illustrated what I had in mind in a humorous way. To be more specific see:
http://frugaltraveler.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/lesons-from-the-frugal-grand-tour/

!00 Euros a day seems anything but frugal but I can except that times have changed since I did it armed with the best selling Europe on $5 a day. Well the exchange rate was VERY favorable back then.
The young man may not care anything for art, literature, music, or architecture in which case I advise him to say home.



tijeretamiel -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 11:07:51)

Nav30 do you have a EU passport? If you do, it'll make coming to Europe a lot easier.

Do you speak Spanish? There are courses to build your own guitar in Spain, which if you don't speak Spanish I myself would go for a course with Stephen Hill.

http://www.europeaninstituteofguitarmaking.com/

Also closer to you, there's Jeffrey Yong who is very highly regarded in the acoustic guitar side of things who's based in Malaysia. Personally, that would be my pick as Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur in particular is a wonderful place to be based for travelling. Cheap Air Asia tickets from KL to lots of very interesting places in Asia.
http://www.jeffreyyong.com/

Do some travelling, see the world before you have responsibilities, debt and a family.

Also Paul Bowles was a very good writer, but his wife Jane Bowles is very special indeed!



Nav30 -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 14:08:20)

$500-1000
Replies are getting much better
would you happen to know any teachers in the gold coast ? Great list!



aeolus -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 20:46:59)

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Also Paul Bowles was a very good writer, but his wife Jane Bowles is very special indeed!


I bogged down on Two Serious Ladies early on as I found her writing mannered? maybe. Based on your enthusiasm I shall try again. It must have been a strange household in Tangier with Jane and her Arab present live in lover. Bowles maintained she poisoned Jane and tried to kill him. I don't know how things are in Morocco now but as Bowles described the place, magic and superstitions had a tight hold on the population. The spiders House is in pre-production for a film and I hope they get it right as I liked it the best.



BarkellWH -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 21:29:40)

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Personally, that would be my pick as Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur in particular is a wonderful place to be based for travelling.


Wholeheartedly agree! Malaysia is a wonderful place in and of itself, not just as a base for traveling. I lived in Kuala Lumpur for four years and loved the whole country. It is a microcosm of Asia, with Malays, Chinese, and Indians. And in my opinion, Malaysia and Singapore have the finest cuisine in the world, as it consists of the above ethnic dishes, plus each has influenced the others to a degree. Not to mention Nonya (Straits Chinese) cuisine, which stands apart on its own.

Cheers,

Bill



aeolus -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 21:55:30)

Without any hint of our young correspondents heritage it leaves one somewhat in the dark as to advice. Certainly proximity to Asia and the much touted re-emergency of Asia as a center of commerce should suggest that as the best avenue to an exploration of a wider world. But still...if his roots are mired in the mud of Europe (encompassing the British Isles as the most likely progenitor) I maintain that his further education must surely encompass a exploration of the birthplace of western civilization. Whether he has prepared himself for such a journey is unknown but he will be wasting his time and resources if he has not familiarized himself with a least a overview of western civilization by which I mean principally that of the arts as that is what is most manifest in the physical world. .



Leñador -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 5 2013 23:15:26)

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birthplace of western civilization.

The Fertile Crescent?? Right now is not the safest time to go......lol



BarkellWH -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 0:59:18)

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I maintain that his further education must surely encompass a exploration of the birthplace of western civilization.


Actually, I still stick with my original advice, that this young man should think through what it is he wants to accomplish and plan his travels and endeavors accordingly.

My comment regarding Malaysia was based on my own experience, and not necessarily as advice that he should travel there. A good share of my professional career has been spent in Maritime Southeast Asia: Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Singapore, and Brunei. I was captured by the history, culture, politics, and languages when I was first assigned to the area, and it has been like draining a golden chalice of a magic potion since.

Nevertheless, Aeolus, I think that anyone born and brought up in Western culture definitely should study and become aware of Western Civilization in all its manifestations: History, politics, art, music, etc. Ancient Greece and Rome bequeathed us a magnificent legacy of rational philosophical inquiry, laws, governance, and art. It has come down to us through the ages, and it is something to be cherished.

Cheers,

Bill



Ricardo -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 7:03:25)

option 1. PLAY MUSIC
option 2. GET A JOB

you pick bro



withinity -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 21:12:34)

LOL Ricardo, your insight strikes again.



aeolus -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 21:39:17)

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LOL Ricardo, your insight strikes again.


Yes. Indubitably. The boy has no other options.



withinity -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 21:49:44)

I seriously think what he said makes sense, i interpret it as all in or nothing.



kudo -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 21:58:57)

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option 1. PLAY MUSIC
option 2. GET A JOB

option 3: go to 2 year college/ trades school and then get a job
option 4: get bachelors degree in MUSIC or something you like and then get a job
option 5: improvise it all [:D]



El Kiko -> RE: ADVICE PLEASE (Oct. 6 2013 22:15:51)

option 1. PLAY MUSIC
option 2. GET A JOB
option 3. BOTH
(Get a job and do music in your spare time)



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