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rogeliocan -> ipaip abanico (Sep. 25 2013 20:35:44)

do any of you use ipaip as a 5 stroke rasgueo, if not what do you use?
I see it 'requested' on a tab.
THanks



Ricardo -> RE: ipaip abanico (Sep. 26 2013 14:04:56)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rogeliocan

do any of you use ipaip as a 5 stroke rasgueo, if not what do you use?
I see it 'requested' on a tab.
THanks


Well, 5 stroke necessarily has FIVE strokes regardless of the rhythm you make. EAMII is most common followed by EAMIP(up). I use the first one to make straight 16th note rhythms often (4 notes per beat).

What you describe is a 3 stroke rasgueado, doing a 4 note patter (16th notes). The 5 stroke normally used as 5 tuplets actually is part of a 6 note group (you have to stop it on a beat). With your abanico here, you can't sub the normal 5 stroke as the next stroke is too weak (a finger down) to land on beat. IN addition, using abanico you don't normally have the advantage of doing a golpe opposite the i stroke, so not the best choice. However for Solea or Alegrias:

ipaip aipai p....that could technically "work" altogether if you accent that last p up stroke then continue compas with i, but seems only in that exact combination (counts 1-2-3). More often this 3 stroke technique would be better expressed starting up doing 6 tuplets:

paipai paipai P.... or even better starting on the "&" after 1 (after probably a 12& heavy accent)
....pai paipai P....

Finally, in the case your abanico is expressing something like a closing on 10 (9e&ah 10), replacing eami i(up), it is also a fine way to do it, although, I just find it misleading to describe it as a "5-stroke" rasgueado.

HOpe that helps.



rogeliocan -> RE: ipaip abanico (Sep. 26 2013 14:36:27)

Thanks Ricardo.
ipaip is not what comes to my mind when doing 5 stroke but that is what is written on this tab, it concludes a bulerias phrase.
When you say 'don't have the advantage of doing a golpe on i stroke' do you mean you can't? Are you talking about dong a golpe on the last stroke, in this case p.
Not that I need to here, but just curious, emaii does not lend itself well to a golpe on the last i either, same for eami(up).

For five stroke I actually prefer amiii, although eamii seems easier, less travel now that I try it. I have not had to do many 5 strokes. Do you have a comment about this?
Which also is easy to do a golpe on the last i.



Ricardo -> RE: ipaip abanico (Sep. 26 2013 16:27:56)

quote:

For five stroke I actually prefer amiii, although eamii seems easier, less travel now that I try it. I have not had to do many 5 strokes. Do you have a comment about this?


My only comment is to re state your language use of "5-stroke" VERSES the actual RHYTHM you are attempting to make. From here on I need specific examples. It sounds that your original issue corresponds with my "finally..." statement above. THat is not 5 tuplet rhythm nor 5 stroke rasgueado. Most likely 9e&ah 10, which is 4 note per beat phrasing. 5 stroke patterns have the 6th note to end on, hence the ease of golpe etc etc....need specifics.

Often this rasguedo is used in bulerias preceded by two contra beats off accent on count 6
&ah 9e&ah 10 is the rhythm played:
pa ipai p

an educated guess about your transcription is that there are two contras preceding but your rasgueado comes in on the contra triplet:

ah 9&ah 10 is the rhythm played:
i pai p....

HOpe that makes sense. Would have to see/hear the example. THat is simply called triplet rasgueado and has nothing to do with 5's. Many many abanicos start on the off beat like this. mOst common ai pai pai p. BUt you dont' call this a 9 stroke rasguedo...it is simply triplets that start off the beat.
ricardo



rogeliocan -> RE: ipaip abanico (Sep. 26 2013 17:39:21)

quote:

My only comment is to re state your language use of "5-stroke" VERSES the actual RHYTHM you are attempting to make. From here on I need specific examples. It sounds that your original issue corresponds with my "finally..." statement above. THat is not 5 tuplet rhythm nor 5 stroke rasgueado. Most likely 9e&ah 10, which is 4 note per beat phrasing. 5 stroke patterns have the 6th note to end on, hence the ease of golpe etc etc....need specifics.


You are correct that it is a 4 notes on the 9th and the 5th on the 10th beat. So bad vocabulary on my part, I understand what you are saying that to call it a 5 stroke I need the 5 to be on the same beat. So then this is a 4-stroke since it is tabbed as 4 16th on 9 followed by a 1/4 note on 10. right?

It is written like this

Beat 9 ..................... 10
1/16 1/16 1/16 1/16 1/4
i-dn p-up a-dn i-dn p-up



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