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Morante -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 12 2013 18:27:51)

"Cuarto Milenio"

I don´t know anone in Spain who does not regard this programme as a joke: Iker has never produced evidence of any kind, only anecdotes,



Castelat -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 12 2013 18:34:54)

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Iker has never produced evidence of any kind


He has showed several times documents from the Guardia Civil and had bring cops and prominent people to testify, you won't find any physical evidence of these entities though, that cannot be possible, obviously.



FredGuitarraOle -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 12 2013 20:35:17)

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ORIGINAL: Morante

"Cuarto Milenio"

I don´t know anone in Spain who does not regard this programme as a joke: Iker has never produced evidence of any kind, only anecdotes,

Check out 2:35 and 8:35, but it's better to watch it all:



"Querido Iker Jimenez, soy Dani Rovira. Te escribo para que seas cosciente del fenómeno paranormal que he descubierto con respecto a las mujeres. Iker, con 30 años que tengo de vida, todavía no he tenido la certeza empírica, científica, táctil, visual, ni olfativa de haber encontrado ni haber conocido a ninguna tia que cague."

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]



Leñador -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 12 2013 21:00:28)

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that cannot be possible, obviously.

For obvious reasons [:D][:D]
I gotta get outta here now..............



estebanana -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 13 2013 0:25:48)

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or obvious reasons
I gotta get outta here now..............

____________________


I already know you are an alien.



BarkellWH -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 13 2013 1:03:22)

It is common knowledge that at the Nevada location known as "Area 51" the US Air Force has for decades been keeping extraterrestrial aliens preserved in giant jars filled with formaldehyde. Sometime over a bottle of shoju (shochu) I will tell you about the time I was abducted by "Inter-dimensional Beings" near Roswell, New Mexico.

Cheers,

Bill



Leñador -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 13 2013 2:28:39)

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I already know you are an alien.


I'm not but a lot of my employees are. LOL



estebanana -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 13 2013 5:00:07)

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It is common knowledge that at the Nevada location known as "Area 51" the US Air Force has for decades been keeping extraterrestrial aliens preserved in giant jars filled with formaldehyde. Sometime over a bottle of shoju (shochu) I will tell you about the time I was abducted by "Inter-dimensional Beings" near Roswell, New Mexico.


Ok, I'm good with UFO stories as long as there are strong drinks. [:D]



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 13 2013 17:47:47)

oh they are there alright ......if one needs proof ....here is there song ....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/nasa-probe-hears--shriek--in-space-as-it-leaves-solar-system-112900776.html?vp=1#4fID9gy



Ricardo -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 7:49:16)

I will just leave it at this, cuz until now you seemed like an interesting , intelligent poster. Especially the baroque guitar stuff was really cool.

HYPNOSIS. Post hypnotic suggestion. The mind opens and feelings thoughts sounds images and even memories are created out of thin air. A gateway to the spirit world? The 4th dimension? The big electron? Whatever, once it happens to you it makes no difference, it is REAL. That is how religions and politicians sexy girls voodoo shaman witch doctors charismatic cult leader type amazing duende invoking artists, are able to AFFECT you, grab you, hold you, and make you BELIEVE. Once you believe it's real, it's that simple. And we can all be hypnotized even of you think you can't be.

It's dangerous thing the mind can do and people have been fooling around with this thing without knowing it for ever. Drugs help too. Or hurt this thing. depends. memories of events that never have occured can be accidentally implanted into our minds by un witting fools trying to help. Suggestive questioning and a creative open mind. Lights, smoke music drum beating rhythms repeat words over and over and over and over and over until that door opens. Some people it works others not so much, some too much and they have a seizure.

But it's all the same thing, and of course nothing PHYSICAL ever manifests. All the aliens are so similar but always just a tiny bit different aren't they? All the gods and goddesses too. All the ghosts and goblins and vampires, always so similar but never tangible or exact and logically presenting themsleves, always elusive just on the edge of discovery. Always. Forever. Is it a dream or is it real? Does it matter? What if the dream is more interesting? We should explore the dream further and further and further...then a conspiracy arises. Thanks to the creative brain of ours that tends to connect dots with lines...so perfect and pretty. Like Percival Lowells martian canals or Betty Hill's star map. Bunch of unrelated dots and our minds just put it all so creatively together like art. But it's a creation, not the truth.

Steve Vai Passion and warfare has a cool back story. It's cool when artists can admit where the strange place inspiration can come from...from inside ourselves.

Ricardo



Ruphus -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 9:09:51)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

All the aliens are so similar but always just a tiny bit different aren't they? All the gods and goddesses too.

Ricardo


The diverse kinds of phenomenons stick to the suggested shape within their individual culture sphere. From the kind of being down to dress code.

What are abducting aliens in USA seem sort of bitches over here in Middle East. They are deemed to be nailing you down when the paralizing sleep mechanism is still on while you wake up, feeling bedridden.

I have a friend here who suffers from that scientifically known situation of overlapping mechanism. He swears to be seeing a horrible bitch that presses him down.

Don´t know if my explanation of the actual background has helped him easening yet. Shall ask him one of these days.
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Some drafts do really fit symptoms of estrangement though, I must say.
Like the one of exterristic beings taking over public and industrial reign.
The unscrupulousness and unfeeling, inhumane line of action just so suits the sketch.

Ruphus



estebanana -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 13:47:20)

It's odd to me that all the people I know to digress about UFO's etc. never seem interested in the SETI project. I find that very odd.

I've always said if extraterrestrials do visit Earth, the absolute one thing you can count on is that a corporation will entrap them and figure out a way to make money off of them. I said this once at a party and a woman said to me "Ever seen District 9?" I watched District 9 a few days later, it's a bad movie with a right on plot.

Why worry about benevolent yet elusive spacemen when there are corporations to behead? Are your priorities in the right place?



estebanana -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 13:49:21)

Birches
BY ROBERT FROST
When I see birches bend to left and right
Across the lines of straighter darker trees,
I like to think some boy's been swinging them.
But swinging doesn't bend them down to stay
As ice-storms do. Often you must have seen them
Loaded with ice a sunny winter morning
After a rain. They click upon themselves
As the breeze rises, and turn many-colored
As the stir cracks and crazes their enamel.
Soon the sun's warmth makes them shed crystal shells
Shattering and avalanching on the snow-crust—
Such heaps of broken glass to sweep away
You'd think the inner dome of heaven had fallen.
They are dragged to the withered bracken by the load,
And they seem not to break; though once they are bowed
So low for long, they never right themselves:
You may see their trunks arching in the woods
Years afterwards, trailing their leaves on the ground
Like girls on hands and knees that throw their hair
Before them over their heads to dry in the sun.
But I was going to say when Truth broke in
With all her matter-of-fact about the ice-storm
I should prefer to have some boy bend them
As he went out and in to fetch the cows—
Some boy too far from town to learn baseball,
Whose only play was what he found himself,
Summer or winter, and could play alone.
One by one he subdued his father's trees
By riding them down over and over again
Until he took the stiffness out of them,
And not one but hung limp, not one was left
For him to conquer. He learned all there was
To learn about not launching out too soon
And so not carrying the tree away
Clear to the ground. He always kept his poise
To the top branches, climbing carefully
With the same pains you use to fill a cup
Up to the brim, and even above the brim.
Then he flung outward, feet first, with a swish,
Kicking his way down through the air to the ground.
So was I once myself a swinger of birches.
And so I dream of going back to be.
It's when I'm weary of considerations,
And life is too much like a pathless wood
Where your face burns and tickles with the cobwebs
Broken across it, and one eye is weeping
From a twig's having lashed across it open.
I'd like to get away from earth awhile
And then come back to it and begin over.
May no fate willfully misunderstand me
And half grant what I wish and snatch me away
Not to return. Earth's the right place for love:
I don't know where it's likely to go better.
I'd like to go by climbing a birch tree,
And climb black branches up a snow-white trunk
Toward heaven, till the tree could bear no more,
But dipped its top and set me down again.
That would be good both going and coming back.
One could do worse than be a swinger of birches.



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 18:09:50)

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I will just leave it at this,





Richard Jernigan -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 18:28:31)

If anyone doubts the effects of mass hypnotism, just look at American politics--both parties.

RNJ



guitarbuddha -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 18:35:43)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

If anyone doubts the effects of mass hypnotism, just look at American politics--both parties.

RNJ


Broadly agreed Richard. With the possible caveat that 'mass hysteria' is the more classic term.

Mark Twain said something like.

'You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. But you can't fool all of the people all of the time.'

At the earliest inception of American democracy a great number of public intellectuals were worried that this might be a fatal flaw of the proposed democratic experiment.

It is depressing to note that of the three clauses in Twain's truism only the first need be satisfied to ensure the success of a political campaign.

D..



Ruphus -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 19:46:07)

Maybe we need to make clear first how simple we are. Probably not even stuffed with free will.

Yet, after having understood how mechanistic and trivial our perception works, we may start exploring in how far we can provide a kind of actual intellectual independency.
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In the way it is however, with hosts of fools fancying to be originally pondering and concluding, only a lemming run can be had as is.

Schools should provide books and DVDs that be filled with illusionary examples, just so that everyone may become aware of the methexis fragility from early on.

Ruphus



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 20:16:06)

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Mark Twain
[:@][:@]

One of the most famous and well known quotes of the President Abraham Lincoln.......[:@][:@]

''You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.''



guitarbuddha -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 20:23:07)

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ORIGINAL: El Kiko

quote:

Mark Twain
[:@][:@]

One of the most famous and well known quotes of the President Abraham Lincoln.......[:@][:@]

''You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.''


Sorry Kiko I have fallen victim to the long standing tradition of attributing all worthy quotes from the North American continent to Mark Twain [:o]

Does that mistake interfere with the spirit of my post ?

D.



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 21:17:41)

''Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.'''

..........Mark Twain quote
[:D][:D]



guitarbuddha -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 21:25:12)

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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Kiko

quote:

Mark Twain
[:@][:@]

One of the most famous and well known quotes of the President Abraham Lincoln.......[:@][:@]

''You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.''


Sorry Kiko I have fallen victim to the long standing tradition of attributing all worthy quotes from the North American continent to Mark Twain [:o]

Does that mistake interfere with the spirit of my post ?

D.


Well, does it ?



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 21:27:33)

No



guitarbuddha -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 21:31:33)

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ORIGINAL: El Kiko

No

[:)]



Escribano -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 22:52:34)

It's not really attributable but I think Barnum is the more likely.



guitarbuddha -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 23:14:07)

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ORIGINAL: Escribano

It's not really attributable but I think Barnum is the more likely.


Now there's a man who knows his popcorn !



estebanana -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 14 2013 23:53:50)

It really sounds like Will Rodgers...but I could be fooling you.



El Kiko -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 15 2013 1:00:42)

''Theres one born every minute''....Barnum ....but upon looking ...apparently not.....


we learn



Leñador -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 15 2013 22:31:20)

I think it was Bob Marley actually. [:D]



Castelat -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 17 2013 17:14:05)

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I will just leave it at this, cuz until now you seemed like an interesting , intelligent poster. Especially the baroque guitar stuff was really cool.

HYPNOSIS. Post hypnotic suggestion. The mind opens and feelings thoughts sounds images and even memories are created out of thin air. A gateway to the spirit world? The 4th dimension? The big electron? Whatever, once it happens to you it makes no difference, it is REAL. That is how religions and politicians sexy girls voodoo shaman witch doctors charismatic cult leader type amazing duende invoking artists, are able to AFFECT you, grab you, hold you, and make you BELIEVE. Once you believe it's real, it's that simple. And we can all be hypnotized even of you think you can't be.

Ricardo


Thanks for the words Ricardo but I already put a video that explains this subject with the interview and the experience that doctor Gaona had (Psychiatry specialist), he is an expert on the brain and its behavior, I knew someone would address your point so I quickly posted that interview, where he says that 80% of those people that stimulate “temporal lobe”, (this could be done electrically or by magnetic fields no more high than 50 micro-tesla, as well as by stress situations or mood determined situations) can reach and actually have a paranormal experience, which are explained by hallucinations made by the brain. But that 20% left cannot be explained, it's beyond explanation, and usually comes along with physical scars, bruises, burns, and sometimes are even visually or auditory things that you could have tape it, people around could have also witnessed and even record it. I really doubt that doctor Gaona is part of a misleading plot.

Full interview and experiment (I recommend min. 26 where they discuss Gaona's skepticism broken)

Only experiment:

Doctor Gaona - Teatro Cervantes

Some interesting quotes from doctor Gaona in this interview:

"I had a dialectic debate with myself, [...] what drags my attention is why the cold temperature occurred in a square meter and the square meter aside was no affected at all, why does it coincide at a given time and in the same place that the camera also stops recording... stops working at all"

"There is a moment that truly overwhelms me, and it's when I'm already on the other side of the stage and I've heard the initial steps of the supposed presence going up the stairs where it remains on that side, and then when I move to one side, not only I feel that the presence moves to me but I can also hear it myself."

"But there comes a time that it takes so many reality addictions, and I'll honestly do an exercise, that is, when I notice the presence that practically is going out on one side, I step back to pick up a walkie talkie to stamp it on his head because what I really thought at the moment was: a) someone is playing a joke on me, b) a worker is in the theater and there's really a person here. So, to surprise him, I walked around the stage to catch him on the other side, but there was nobody there, and not only there was no one there, there also weren't, and I say this for the skeptical viewers that could say, well, someone sneaked in, you didn't noticed it and then he escaped), but there were no fled steps, or escaping steps, nothing."

"Let's see: is the right temporal lobe of my brain getting crazy?, am I having an hallucination and Persinger is right?, or are all the workers and the owner of the theater right?"



Ricardo -> RE: The laws of physics defied? (Sep. 17 2013 17:44:19)

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But that 20% left cannot be explained, it's beyond explanation, and usually comes along with


Sorry I disagree with the %. I say we all are capable of having the door open. Scary I know. THere will be different triggers. But only the brain dead or lobotomized or other "special" people are guaranteed to not have any personal experience with this stuff (and I say stuff cause there is A LOT of similar paranormal things that happen that is always intangeable and coincidental.).

Like I said, the brain is VERY creative and folks don't give themselves enough credit in this respect. THe similarity is due the same thing that ignites most art works, inspiration (fear of the dark is a great inspiration for example), and the differences as subtle as they may be, the personal human element that we are each simply unique. [;)]



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