Castelat -> RE: The laws of physics defied by strange forces? (Sep. 12 2013 18:12:06)
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i hope you have a one of those special cameras for your encounter that UFO/Alien/ Ghosty people have I don't have cameras, I have some interesting books, which I recommend by the way. Messengers of deception Natural theology (proves something not physical is beyond our universe) I don't understand why some of you got mad tough. Many people are so stuck in their conviction about the lack of something bigger than us and use sneer jokes and arrogance against those who believe in it.. the fact that you don't believe in this (which is a very personal thing) doesn't allow you to feel better or superior; that's something I see doing from a lot of skeptics. please, stop that, and rather learn from what another person has to say about, and, especially, never be too much secure about your convictions, be opened minded to new possible realities, natural forces are not only what is out there, we must always have something to learn and strong convictions ruin this... Think about this: The material world we know is a world of change. A young woman came to be 5'2", but she was not always that height. The great oak tree before us grew from the tiniest acorn. Now when something comes to be in a certain state, such as mature size, that state cannot bring itself into being. For until it comes to be, it does not exist, and if it does not yet exist, it cannot cause anything. As for the thing that changes, although it can be what it will become, it is not yet what it will become. It actually exists right now in this state (an acorn); it will actually exist in that state (large oak tree). But it is not actually in that state now. It only has the potentiality for that state. Now a question: To explain the change, can we consider the changing thing alone, or must other things also be involved? Obviously, other things must be involved. Nothing can give itself what it does not have, and the changing thing cannot have now, already, what it will come to have then. The result of change cannot actually exist before the change. The changing thing begins with only the potential to change, but it needs to be acted on by other things outside if that potential is to be made actual. Otherwise it cannot change. Nothing changes itself. Apparently self-moving things, like animal bodies, are moved by desire or will—something other than mere molecules. And when the animal or human dies, the molecules remain, but the body no longer moves because the desire or will is no longer present to move it. Now a further question: Are the other things outside the changing thing also changing? Are its movers also moving? If so, all of them stand in need right now of being acted on by other things, or else they cannot change. No matter how many things there are in the series, each one needs something outside itself to actualize its potentiality for change. In the case of the acorn, it needed water, sun and a land to grow up and have the potential to change, those elements were outside its nature. The universe is the sum total of all these moving things, however many there are. The whole universe is in the process of change. But we have already seen that change in any thing requires an outside force to actualize it. Therefore, there is some force outside (in addition to) the universe, transcendent to the universe. Because if there is nothing outside the material universe, then there is nothing that can cause the universe to change. But it does change. Therefore there must be something in addition to the material universe. But the universe is the sum total of all matter, space and time. These three things depend on each other. Therefore this world outside the universe is outside matter, space and time, in other words is NOT a physical world.
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