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principiante -> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 13:00:29)

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Erik van Goch -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 13:13:59)

Obviously there are many different ways normally separated musical cultures can influence each other. Flamenco itself is one big melting pot of influences. I can appreciate it when gifted flamenco artists adapt new influences in their music. When it comes to fusion in the sense of mixing flamenco with other styles of music i generally don't like it unless it is done really well.

like this one:



I can recommend the dvd it came from: Calle 54 (if you coogle Calle 54 you'll find manny tracks on Youtube) Unfortunately computer/television formats are no match for the incredible experience this movie gives when watched on the big screen (the same applies to Saura's Flamenco/Flamenco Flamenco). So when your local arthouse cinema programs it one day don't hesitate to treat yourself with a visit.



Ricardo -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 17:40:04)

Simply put, there is diego amador who is just super flamenco in his playing, then there is everybody else who just sound like bland piano players trying to do a fusion that just doesn't always work.



Bulerias2005 -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 18:58:17)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Simply put, there is diego amador who is just super flamenco in his playing, then there is everybody else who just sound like bland piano players trying to do a fusion that just doesn't always work.

Generally, I agree, but Chano Dominguez and Dorantes have some pretty interesting stuff IMO, especially the former's Paco-inspired bulerias (I forget the name) and the latter's sevillanas (also blanking on the name, haha).



Arash -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 19:52:45)

The way Diego Amador plays piano and seperates him is that he plays piano like flamenco guitar, just with piano keys instead of guitar strings.

Dominguez, Dorantes are very good piano players though, no doubt.
But its more like jazz, fitted to compas (sometimes). Nice stuff but not that flamenco.

These guys are good too ;)

Pedro Ricardo Mino


Pablo Maldonado


Sergio Monroy



Erik van Goch -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 28 2013 22:29:42)

In my student years i heard a fabulous Sevillanas once that changed mood all the time, chancing from flamenco into blues into county and so on (obviously maintaining the Sevillanas compas). I believe it was Ketama but i can't find it on the internet.



Morante -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 29 2013 9:03:30)

Went to seeGuillermo McGill Cuarteto Sur last night:

"Formado por el saxofonista Enrique Oliver y el guitarrista flamenco Dani de Morón, con el batería Guillermo McGill y el excelso bajista Manuel Posadas “Popo”.

Con un repertorio basado en los experimentos grabados en fecha tan temprana como 1925 por el maestro de la guitarra flamenca Ramón Montoya junto al saxofonista Fernando Vilches, y con la inestimable labor de recuperación casi arqueológica de Guillermo McGill, la actuación fluctúa entre el jazz moderno, arriesgado y la exuberancia flamenca de las cuerdas, tanto las del habilidoso Dani de Morón como las del virtuoso Popo, que alterna el bajo eléctrico de seis cuerdas con otro acústico de cinco"

In spite of the high quality of the artists, it simply did not work: substituting a sax for a cantaor is not adequate. In particular, the seguiriyas was boring, with all the instruments endlessly repeating the basic riff. So much for fusion.



Erik van Goch -> RE: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT FUSSION...???? (Jul. 29 2013 14:25:56)

Since Rotterdam conservatory offered a master study flamenco guitar in 1985 (on top of classical music and jazz) various other master studies of world music were added like Indian music, Turkish music, Tango and Latin. Sometimes students of those other disciplines join in to play with the flamenco students, for instance during the ensemble performance that is part of there final exams. When really talented people of those other disciplines take a serious and long term interest in flamenco and became trained in the language of flamenco they can really add something to the sound. Obviously they can not replace a singer (nor can the guitar) but when they add there voice they sure can make a difference. Once a top violinist from for instance the tango department knows how to execute a picado scale the flamenco way (dubbing the guitar) you'll only have eyes and ears for the violin and no longer for the guitar player. They have some pretty good flute players and percussionists joining in as well.

It's not the instrument that is flamenco or not, it's the artist playing it. The only reason the guitar is accepted as part of flamenco (and still not by everyone) is because various generations of flamenco artists choose it to be there voice in expressing flamenco. The same can/will happen with the piano. When a violin can honor Classical music, Jazz, Balkan music, Irish music, County music and closer to home Indian music and Arabic music it can also honor Flamenco. All you need is a flamenco artist to give it a flamenco voice. The same counts for every instrument you can think of, including a big orchestra. Obviously there is a huge difference between adapting/embracing new instruments to express pure flamenco or blending different disciplines as well (fusion). Only the very great can do that like indeed Diego Amador (who happened to be one of the many guest teachers at Rotterdam Conservatory as well).



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