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lukeofgod -> Most Underrated (Jun. 28 2013 21:06:10)

Post who you all think to be some of the most underrated flamenco guitarists. :)




FredGuitarraOle -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 28 2013 21:41:10)

I would say Antonio Prieto "El Curry". He isn't necessarily underrated, but he is not as famous as he should be. There was a video on youtube of him trying out my teacher's brand new guitar but I can't find it, I think it was deleted. It was a very cold December day and Curry grabbed the guitar without warming up and played the most hardcore stuff you can imagine for 4 hours in a row. Simply mind blowing, it was some of the most impressive playing I've ever seen.

Anyway, here's a recent video of him (very far from his best capabilities, by the way):





brandoscostumes -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 28 2013 21:59:58)

it looks like the last time jeronimo was mentioned here was 2011




chester -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 28 2013 23:08:46)

That's not his best? Yikes.

Those were some scary runs.




Ricardo -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 28 2013 23:25:23)

Enrique del Melchor

Manuel Morao Sr.




Leñador -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 0:46:00)

Wow Fred, El Curry looks like a beast! I gotta do find some more stuff from him......




johnnefastis -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 10:17:33)

This is a nice thread to discover some new players.

Totally agree about Enrique de Melchor some of his pieces are so brilliant yet no transcriptions exist.

I like this guys playing a lot... Manuel Silveria, but there does not seem to be much out there.



Cheers




ashod -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 11:01:12)

Wow! that Manuel Silveria is so good!

He looks a bit like Vicente Amigo and even his sound, melody and technic are similar.

The percussionnist/singer is the one that is with Vicente Amigo now.

Could he be a cousin or his older brother maybe?

Thanks for sharing anyway, it was a great performance!




guitarbuddha -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 13:21:02)

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ORIGINAL: johnnefastis

This is a nice thread to discover some new players.




Yup, thanks guys.

D.




Morante -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 16:04:29)

All are overrated. Guitarrists are 2 a penny. An underrated singer is José Mendez, an underrated dancer is Fuensanta La Moneta, one of the few who actually dances flamenco.




changue -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 16:08:38)

Pedro Bacan's name is rarely mentioned. I thought he was a really individual player.

Pepe Justicia is an outstanding player and I never hear anything about him.

Manuel Parilla (both of them!) also under-rated.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 18:30:05)

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Wow! that Manuel Silveria is so good!

He looks a bit like Vicente Amigo and even his sound, melody and technic are similar.


Both studied with Merengue de Córdoba. His stable of flamenco guitarists looks like Nick Bollettieri’s does in tennis.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 18:32:12)

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Totally agree about Enrique de Melchor some of his pieces are so brilliant yet no transcriptions exist.


Certainly they do: I have a book of them transcribed by M. Faucher, CD included.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 18:34:09)

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Manuel Morao Sr.


Well, he wasn’t underrated in the ’50s: he and Juanito Serrano were the two young fenómenos.




johnnefastis -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 18:56:37)

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Certainly they do: I have a book of them transcribed by M. Faucher, CD included.


Oh yeah I miss wrote that. There is also a great encuentro DVD too.

I was just thinking about some of my other favourites

Cuchichi and Viejos Tiempos.

Richard from the foro has done a nice job on transcribing Carmin.

Cheers




Don Dionisio -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 29 2013 20:21:29)

I saw Manuel Silveria accompany Luis de Cordoba in 1999 at the Gran Teatro in Cordoba. Both were fantastic. His accompaniment por Granaina was masterful.

Two players that I have studied with some are Eugenio Iglesias and Ramon Amador from Las Tres Mil Viviendas, Sevilla. Eugenio has played for Fuensanta La Moneta. He usually tours with Jairo Barrull.

This is Eugenio and Paco Iglesias:



Here's Ramon Amador accompanying Pastora Galvan:


This is Paco Iglesias, Ramon Amador, and Eugenio Iglesias:




Ricardo -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 0:41:06)

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

Manuel Morao Sr.


Well, he wasn’t underrated in the ’50s: he and Juanito Serrano were the two young fenómenos.


Of course...but it's 2013 and it's always "Moraito..." as in his nephew...and as if his style is somehow antiquated or simplistic, rarely discussed in detail as other players.




Elie -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 12:45:33)

wow thats manuel silveria looks like if he is vicente's brother !




Arash -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 12:47:16)

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ORIGINAL: lukeofgod

Post who you all think to be some of the most underrated flamenco guitarists. :)


there is this guy somewhere in US, i think his name is Richard or Ricardo.
this dude is amazing.




Adam -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 12:49:57)

Jesse Cook.




guitarbuddha -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 12:52:26)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arash


there is this guy somewhere in US, i think his name is Richard or Ricardo.
this dude is amazing.


Quick question about airmail Arash. How much does it cost to post an apple ?

D.




estebanana -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 13:42:23)

Meh, It's never a question of who is underrated, it's a question of who was fortuante enough to get a career going.

And, hey my vote goes to Pedro Bacan also, who was as stated earlier and individual, a risk taker. There's also Carlos Heredia, there's also every great guitarists cousin who who you'll never hear of in the press.

Then there's underrated at what? At solo playing or playing for singers? And what is the difference between underrated and under appreciated?

Tell you what, I'll take one Juan Habichuela for every dozen Juan Seranwrap's or Sabicasasses you dig up. [:D]

If I had a Sabicas record in my hand right now, I would go upstairs open the sliding glass doors full wide and wing it discus style as far away from my person as possible. Then I would go listen to some slouch like Paco Aguilera play for Juan Talega.

Ho-dare.




changue -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 13:43:56)


Alfredo Lagos - what a player.




Don Dionisio -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 15:00:15)

Perhaps the title of this thread is a bit off-putting (not to me), but the responses have been interesting. I think it was intended to be: 'post or list some of your favorite guitarists who don't have the same recognition as a Sabicas, PdL, etc.'




Don Dionisio -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 15:08:13)

I really enjoy Manuel Morao and his accompaniment of the cantaora Paquera de Jerez. I don't find his playing antiquated or simplistic. I hear his 'toque' in Moraito, Diego del Morao, Manuel Parrilla, among others.




runner -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 18:49:34)

If ever there was an area where "it is all a matter of taste", it would involve favorite guitarists. For instance, most everyone likes (or says they like) Manuel Morao as an accompanist, but, for me, there are just too many notes! I listen to Morao accompanying Aurelio de Cadiz on the Mairena anthology, when Aurelio's voice was perhaps at its peak of expressiveness, and the poor man is buried alive under Morao's torrent. I think: how great would it have been had Aurelio been supported by someone like Pedro Soler or Roman el Granaino? Donn Pohren made this same observation about Morao years ago; it's certainly not new with me, but the lesson is clear: give me guitarists like Perico el del Lunar, Paco Aguilera, Paco del Gastor, Antonio Arenas--the list is long-- who earned their daily crust by working closely with the cantaor(a) to most effectively draw out the essence of the cante. What else is flamenco guitar for?




lukeofgod -> RE: Most Underrated (Jun. 30 2013 22:56:18)

My intention for this thread wasn't to define the word Underrated. It was to give people a chance to share a guitarist(s) who they thought was really good, but not really well-known or appreciated, which is all subjective of course.




estebanana -> RE: Most Underrated (Jul. 1 2013 0:05:14)

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My intention for this thread wasn't to define the word Underrated. It was to give people a chance to share a guitarist(s) who they thought was really good, but not really well-known or appreciated, which is all subjective of course.


Understood, but to say what of who is underrated in the context of flamenco guitarist calls up many factors, it's not a simple concept. It begs to be defined in order for ones choices to have meaning.




estebanana -> RE: Most Underrated (Jul. 1 2013 0:17:11)

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If ever there was an area where "it is all a matter of taste", it would involve favorite guitarists. For instance, most everyone likes (or says they like) Manuel Morao as an accompanist, but, for me, there are just too many notes! I listen to Morao accompanying Aurelio de Cadiz on the Mairena anthology, when Aurelio's voice was perhaps at its peak of expressiveness, and the poor man is buried alive under Morao's torrent. I think: how great would it have been had Aurelio been supported by someone like Pedro Soler or Roman el Granaino? Donn Pohren made this same observation about Morao years ago; it's certainly not new with me, but the lesson is clear: give me guitarists like Perico el del Lunar, Paco Aguilera, Paco del Gastor, Antonio Arenas--the list is long-- who earned their daily crust by working closely with the cantaor(a) to most effectively draw out the essence of the cante. What else is flamenco guitar for?


Morao is awesome, but I agree, I have to be in the right mood to listen to him.

Perico and Aguilera are guitarists that no one talks about these days, for obvious reasons. The trend is to embrace every thing post Paco de Lucia as a starting point so many real older styled poets like Perico don't get as much consideration as they should because modern toque is so whizz bang powerful. One of the problems being that Paco took off running with Sabicas' ideas and other schools of thought languished and did not continue to develop....but that is a can of worms. That's not to say I dislike modern playing, I like it very much.

Diegito ( Diego de Moron, nephew not big Diego) is a fantastic soloist. He has really interesting ideas and muy gitano por bulerias.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Most Underrated (Jul. 1 2013 0:20:22)

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wow thats manuel silveria looks like if he is vicente's brother !


Vicente actually has a brother who — at one time at least — looked just like him, down to the clothes and the mullet, despite the fact that they aren’t even twins.

As I discovered to my embarrassment once when I found myself talking away to the wrong one.




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