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guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 22:46:32)

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ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco



In case anyone missed it. Last week a study about Alzheimer’s disease was widely disseminated in the media. An Oxford study showed that a regimen of B vitamins slowed the progression of mild cognitive impairment associated with AD by 90 percent.



I gotta admit I really dislike that 90 percent figure. How was cognitive impairment measured by whom and over what period ? The control group would need to be on the currently preferred treatment, were they ? What was it's efficacy ? Were the people administering it aware if they were using the new or the old treatment. And what was the preferred treatment and how does it compare with placebo ?

How many parallel studies were ignored ? Why was vitamin B chosen and by whom. How many other 'Serums' were tried. Was it enough to make it statistically probable that one would give a false positive.

After thirty years of obfuscation it was admitted recently that vitamins do nothing to improve health.

The response of the industy ? Keep stum and have the PR people fire up the flimflam machine after the dust settles.

The whole thing reeks of flimflam. The press love a good story. And the best stories are polished amalgams or downright lies. When was the last time you read this headline 'Witchdoctors cobble together bogus evidence ?' I'm guessing never.

Not trying to be mean PG but I hate the idea of these lying so and so's lining their pockets. Good to see you around.


D.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:27:46)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

I wonder how the 200-year old will regard his 20-year old self?

RNJ


Push bike is my vice. One year I saved some money quit my job and went to the French Pyrenees to cycle. After five weeks and about 10kg lighter I went to the alps. Had a good rest in the youth hostel in Grenoble for two nights drinking the first and gorging myself the second (local bakery, butter for the cakes and lard for the pastry) and then cycled out to Bourg D'Oissan to tackle the mighty Alpe d'Huez.

On the way noticed the bottom bracket needed replaced. Took it to the shop and had a big pizza and chatted to some Luxemburgers at the cafe.

Picked the bike up a few hours later and made the climb. But with the rest it was much easier than I expected and was kind of dissapointed that the peak came too quick.

On the descent I passed a group of French tax inspectors one by one as they strung themselves out. We waved to each other. So strong did I feel that I decided to do it again faster once I got to the bottom, there was just enough light I reckoned.

I reeled them in one by one (a miracle for me, I am no natural endurance specialist ) and managed to reach the Village again but this as exhausted and satisfied as could be.

When they caught up to me we were all embraced in true comeradeship. I had been mostly alone for three weeks save for the odd girl and warm conversations with Belgian students in campsites and was delighted when they asked if I would like to join them.

The next day though I had gotten a chill from descending in the near dark. So I had to really hurry to catch them at our arranged meeting point (near the bloody top of the climb where the were staying) and the 15 kilo panniers didn't help. But I dug in and made it.

We then went to the Col de Croix de Fer down the other side of Alpe d'Huez and I decided to show off and leapt away from them. Needless to say I hit a brick wall and really struggled on the 1/2km 15 percent gradient section.

But at the top we all had a picnic and they offered to carry my pack in their support van. So we made the descent.

Now they had with them a Breton guy and he was the least fit, in fact not really trained at all. But boy could he descend !!!! He was a joy to watch as I struggled on the straights to catch him before the next hairpin only to watch him sail back past me with his marvelous skill, panache and brass balls. This went on for a long time and I got a bit frustrated.

So I decided to pass him on the outside by accelerating into the turn, and that way, so I reasoned, I could get some daylight between us. But I hadn't reckoned on the change in the bikes handling with the panniers being removed. And when the camber reversed on the turn I hit the mountain at about thirty miles an hour head on.

I bought a second hand bike the next day in Valoir and then climbed the Galibier (from memory 2600m) straight away.

Crashed the bike again descending mount Ventoux (skidded on some straw which in the dry heat was like a banana skin) two days later.

Even at the time I couldn't believe how crazy I was being. But when you get into a groove anything can seem natural.

Done long tours a few times since. Will do so again. Hope to die on a bicycle. Or more honestly I hope die in the saddle.
[:D]

D.



BarkellWH -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:31:26)

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Indeed. I look back on many of my youthful escapades with amusement, faintly tinged with embarrassment.


Don't we all! I imagine that every one of us on the Foro engaged in youthful escapades, not to mention indiscretions(!), that from the vantage point of age and experience we look back on with a certain relief that we survived.

Cheers,

Bill



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:32:19)

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In a segment last week Dr Oz claimed that research indicated the fat and cholesterol in beef may not be responsible for heart attacks.


Wow. Finally.

Dr Oz does not impress me.

http://garytaubes.com/2011/03/dose-of-intervention-land-of-dr-oz/



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:40:06)

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I gotta admit I really dislike that 90 percent figure. How was cognitive impairment measured by whom and over what period ?


The science behind this seems solid enough to me. There was 90 percent less shrinkage of the brains of people taking three different B vitamins over a two year period. This was the conclusion after reviewing brain scans so it was not the usual impressionistic/subjective self-reports of participants that have been so common in psychology in the last century.

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After thirty years of obfuscation it was admitted recently that vitamins do nothing to improve health.


This is too broad a statement. Specific vitamins in certain doses can be helpful to people belonging to certain cohorts.

I'm not offended. Many of your questions are answered (perhaps not to your satisfaction) in this article. You can read about the study here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2327993/Should-taking-vitamin-B-protect-Alzheimers.html



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:46:10)

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

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In a segment last week Dr Oz claimed that research indicated the fat and cholesterol in beef may not be responsible for heart attacks.


Wow. Finally.


Surely America's favourite comedy outfit has to be Macdonalds. My favourite gag was when they made their burgers 'more healthy' by reducing the size of the cheese square.

Didn't hear a single person in the media blow a raspberry at that one. Every single person who read that piece of filthy misdirection and was happy to act like it made sense deserves a good solid kick in the balls.

It is obvious that, since porcine muscle and tissue is more similar to human than bovine is, that pig fat will be more readily dealt with by the our digestive system than beef fat.

And that is the problem with beef fat it just aint

Lard.

D.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:49:07)

That is a 24 carrot fluff piece. No doubt whatsoever.

Look at it, the pills, the narrative intro, it is meant to push a woman to buy bul@**** medication for a man she has learned to patronise.

D.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 2 2013 23:53:35)

Read a little bit more here is the kicker.

'A rapidly shrinking brain is one of the signs of a raised risk for Alzheimer’s. Those taking the B vitamins had 90 per cent less shrinkage in their brains.'

Compare to your statement.

'An Oxford study showed that a regimen of B vitamins slowed the progression of mild cognitive impairment associated with AD by 90 percent'


They were better treated and were drinking more water. Period.

You basically told the lie they meant you to hear but were careful to dress up in a modicum of truth. First to yourself and then to us. Ward yourself more carefully.

D.



Transparent evil, honestly.



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:04:59)

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That is a 24 carrot fluff piece. No doubt whatsoever.


A research project that was funded in part by the government’s Medical Research Council, run by OPTIMA (Oxford Project to Investigate Memory and Ageing) at Oxford University for two years, reviewed by a professor in the Imaging Genetics Center at UCLA School of Medicine and published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences seems like an impressive and credible scientific endeavor to me.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:09:15)

A research project that was funded in part by the government’s Medical Research Council, run by OPTIMA (Oxford Project to Investigate Memory and Ageing) at Oxford University for two years, reviewed by a professor in the Imaging Genetics Center at UCLA School of Medicine and published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences seems like an impressive and credible scientific endeavor to me.
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Work on that.

I am not impressed.

D.



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:14:33)

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'A rapidly shrinking brain is one of the signs of a raised risk for Alzheimer’s. Those taking the B vitamins had 90 per cent less shrinkage in their brains.'


I don’t think I overstated their conclusions. This is from the abstract of the journal article: “Our results show that B-vitamin supplementation can slow the atrophy of specific brain regions that are a key component of the AD process and that are associated with cognitive decline.”

You can read the abstract here:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/16/1301816110.abstract



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:17:38)

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ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco



You can read the abstract here:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/16/1301816110.abstract


Here we are again.

I really don't need to catch up.

When I walk past a reeking toilet I don't rush in to see what is at the source.

D.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:43:14)

My perverse and morbid fascination for Mc Donalds seized me a few days ago on a road trip and I tried Mc Donalds in Japan.

The food was slightly better tasting as they made it to order, more or less, the fries were actually quite good. Made with local Kyushu potatoes. Remember Julia Child herself liked a Mc Donalds fry every now and then.

The 1/4 pounder was ok too, but I will not be making a repeat visit anytime soon, it was not that good. They do toast the bun inside and outside. Really I just wanted to see if the same taste is reproduced where ever Mc Donalds goes. I tried it in China too, and recall it was pretty much the same as in the US. In this area they have the basic menu items, but they also have a plethora of local food too, but done Mc Donalds style.
I don't need to sample any however, I'm too busy catching fresh fish and preparing the same day.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:48:44)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I'm too busy catching fresh fish and preparing the same day.


Your presence here mister Faulk is conditional upon answering this question correctly.

Do you fillet, clean and dry them before dusting lightly with seasoned flour and flash frying in purest sizzling lard ?

(OK OK OK, you are allowed to steam them and then dress with white wine vinegar/shallots/shredded young ginger/sweet soy and sesame oil..... but just this once... RIGHT )

D.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 0:57:25)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

My perverse and morbid fascination for Mc Donalds seized me a few days ago on a road trip and I tried Mc Donalds in Japan.




I don't think Macdonalds are much worse than other processed food suppliers ( other than failing to use the ahem.. appropriate frying medium). But I eat processed food so seldom that I almost always notice how ill it makes me feel. The sugar in the bun is the kicker for me, disgusting.

D.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:05:55)

Are you saying the destruction of deep rainforest to make way for the methane farting beef cows and the overfishing of the Orange Roughy for Filet o Fish would be forgiven if only they would embrace lard?[:D]



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:08:32)

Stop evading the real issue Stephen.

How did you fry that fish ?

D.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:15:43)

Yuko made them into tempura and also made red bell peppers and eggplant tempura, which cannot be made, alas, with lard. [:(]

They call red bell peppers paprikas here. Pimientos asados would be called roasted paprikas.



guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:19:22)

Dressing ?

D.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:20:12)

Tempura gets dipped in ponzu.


Here, have some of these to pack into your 'larder'.



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guitarbuddha -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 1:42:36)

Noone loves frying fish more than the French, sometimes they cook them with lardons (groan)

Nice pic, cheers.

D.

I think I'll be eating rotten tomatoes tomorrow.



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 2:31:18)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Remember Julia Child herself liked a Mc Donalds fry every now and then.



When I moved to Santa Barbara I scouted for a good taco joint. People told me there was one on Milpa street endorsed by the great Julia Child herself. It was OK. Nothing to go out of your way for. Sure enough, there was a handwritten endorsement from Julia Child framed on the wall. World's best tacos, or something. Place was full of gringos, though that was nothing to hold against it.

A little further toward the ocean on Milpa street there was Tacos al Pastor, Sucursal Numero 2. (Branch number 2). The following week I tried it. There was a big wooden sign above the counter with a dozen kinds of tacos listed on it. There was a self service cold table with eight different kinds of salsa. As I approached the counter, the teenage girl taking orders looked a little concerned, but relaxed when I spoke Spanish. No one in the place spoke any English while I was there.

I asked the girl, since this was Sucursal numero 2, where was the main office? Chihuahua City.

The tacos were really great, the salsas to die for. Wow.

I seldom saw the pretty teenager on the order counter. Usually she worked in the open kitchen behind the counter. But one day she was on the cash register and gave me a big smile. So I asked her why she looked a little concerned when I came to the front of the line the first time. She said she had just started to work there, and spoke no English.

I told my friends at work about Tacos al Pastor. They assured me that if I hung out over in the barrio I would get knifed before long. They wouldn't listen to my story that Tacos al Pastor was a family place, with kids and grandmas, and a relaxed friendly vibe.

Either Julia was taco deaf, or she was afraid to go a couple blocks further down Milpa street. Or both.

RNJ



Ruphus -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 10:15:55)

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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha

When was the last time you read this headline 'Witchdoctors cobble together bogus evidence ?' I'm guessing never.


Very rarely indeed.
Pharmaceutic concerns are shovelling affluent money of which only particles suffice to control official policies and common sense.
Folks don´t even realize how heavily they are being looted by that branch.

Considering bogus: Long ago Der Spiegel had a series about industrially instigated desease propaganda. From the top of my head: The campaign for oesteoporosis, the one for clolesterine, menopause / andropause and ... forgot the rest. ( Anyone remember live-cell therapy, besides?)
Each time the pharmas would breed a concept of how to generate artificial demand for drugs, then approach reknown docs and bribe them. For the cholesterine hype I remember they needed only 6 doctors on their payroll to get the hystery forest fire rolling across the globe. ( It then cost lives of elderlies in old people´s homes who would be fed too little of essential foods.)

It even hit me when a doctor after routine blood analysis was telling me that my cholesterine level was too hi. Leaving me flabbergasted, because at that time I would have 40 hours weekly training since years and pretty normal diet with rather low fat consume.
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In view of vitamines I remember the statement of these needing naturally attached substances to be effective, whilst isolated artificial vitamines would often be useless and at times even detrimental.

Ruphus



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 12:34:25)

Richard,

Julia was the French Chef, she did not know taco from octopus.



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Lard (Jun. 3 2013 17:21:30)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

Richard,

Julia was the French Chef, she did not know taco from octopus.


...I see what you did there.

With the great Japanese talent for assimilation from other cultures, you ought to be able to get octopus tacos somewhere over there.

RNJ

OK just to let everyone in on Stephen's joke, "octopus" in Japanese is "tako". So an octopus taco would be a tako taco. Come to think of it, a Costa Rican octopus taco would be a tico tako taco.

But a tico-tico is a Brazilian bird that gets into the cassava flour and inspires a song.

There will be a quiz on this next week.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 4 2013 1:02:16)

You just gave me a great idea, but before I make pulpo tacos I need to hand make the corn tortillas and pico de gallo.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Lard (Jun. 4 2013 1:06:40)

A tako ceviche taco would be a pretty easy step.



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 4 2013 1:12:07)

The corn tortilla don't exist here, even the Aleph does not see them here. I can make several kinds of unique and delicious tacos, if I cold just get the tortillas.

Ironic since I grew up in Taco Country where you can't cross the street in your flip flops without stubbing a toe on a taco truck or Mexican Mama and Papa market.



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Lard (Jun. 4 2013 2:21:52)

When my college room mate started living in Munich, he still came to the USA on business. He would always bring two suitcases, One with his stuff in it, the other one empty. He would fill up the empty one with Mexican food makings and take it back to Germany.

But now they have Mexican restaurants in Munich. I have to confess I have never tried one, nor even asked Tom about them.

Surely there is at least one Mexican restaurant in Tokyo. There is at least one of everything in Tokyo. Not just restaurants, I mean everything. You need a Tokyo connection...

RNJ



estebanana -> RE: Lard (Jun. 4 2013 8:29:43)

Yuko told me anything can be had at any time of the day for the right price in Tokyo. Then she looked at me to see what I would say next hoping to trick me into blurting my darkest weirdest desire. I just said "Oh wow, hmm....that is interesting." If I had been on my game I would have said corn tortillas.

We were in Fukuoka last week so I could do some paper work at the US Consulate. As we stepped outside a stunning young woman in peach colored kimono with a blue obi walked right up to me as we made the street. She was wearing geta and she and a umbrella and small paper sack in her hands. She must have worked in a traditional restaurant or something, where I'm sure they don't cook with lard, Yuko and I both were like WOW she was pretty. Yuko let me watch her walk down the street without hitting me over the head just because I've have not seen girls wigging their cute behinds in a kimono too much.

Tokyo connection, lard, corn tortillas, I need to get on it.



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