Learning Bulerias

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Aretium -> Learning Bulerias (May 10 2013 22:29:41)
Right, so for Bulerias feels like trying to interrupt a stubborn person talking Super fast. I am at the moment unable to get a teacher etc so no help there. I know this has probably been posted thousands of times I just can't find an answer for me. Is starting at say 100bpm then slowly cranking it up the best way? So far I am finding it hard to stay in time at this level, too fast etc. If so it feels like it will be years before I get anywhere (which sounds about right). Also I am killing my family with these exercises [:D]

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 10 2013 23:02:49)
start as slow is it takes to get just 2 or 3 compas exactly right with all the notes placed exactly to where they belong. play along with metronome and after 10 minutes or so, crank up the metronome 5 bpm more and continue then 5 more bpm etc.... after an hour you should be playing significantly faster without much trouble. All of this depends greatly on your ability to first place the notes exactly in rhythm at a slow tempo. Guessing will not help you. Be diligent. Be Precise. Be a perfectionist here. Your success will depend on it. learn another few compas and do the same, then put them together. add more doing the same process. in month you can have a significant amount of material together and up near 200bpm or better.

Leñador -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 11 2013 0:21:17)
quote: Is starting at say 100bpm then slowly cranking it up the best way? So far I am finding it hard to stay in time at this level, too fast etc. Is it possible at all that your feeling 100bpm like 200bpm and trying to go faster then you need to? 100bpm for bulerias is pretty slow, if you can't change chords effectively at that speed maybe you should just spend a little time trying to jump from one chord to another without playing to a metronome or a compas in mind, like a drill. Just do A to Bb and Bb to A over and over and get that transition down quickly and cleanly. Then start trying to do it in compas, maybe try singing the compas to the metronome too to get that "melody" in your head. My two rupees at least.....

gbv1158 -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 11 2013 7:27:21)
quote: maybe try singing the compas to the metronome too to get that "melody" in your head good advice!.... I would say also with no "maybe". That was even one of the main suggestions I recived when I used to take classical guitar lessons. :-) ciao giambattista

athrane77 -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 11 2013 10:32:17)
I'd say, first learn how to play a normal 3/4 beat correctly, Bulerías is 6/4 or two cycles of 3/4, if you got that groove in your blood bulerías could be relatively easy. If you can't play walz or other songs in 3/4 you won't understand Bulerías either. Understanding Palmas is also very effective. Try that: clap 5 times like this - 1 2 3 4 5 - 7 8 9 10 11 then you've to tap your foot on beat 12 and 3 and on beat 6 and 9 you can also tap you foot in 2s: 12-2-4-6-8-10 forget about that 12 beat cycle, Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du Jason explains what I'm trying to explain better [;)]

ToddK -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 7:08:32)
Stop counting!! 1. Find a well played example of bulerias compas played slowly, and just listen. 2. Stop counting. 3. If the lesson includes counting, skip over that section. 4. Stop counting.

tele -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 11:32:47)
Can anyone recommend a source for learning basic bulerias phrases or "compases"? I know a couple or more but would like to learn some more. Basically anything that isnt considered a falseta. As the web has alot of them... Thanks BTW: to the starter: about counting, I find foot taps in threes on every second count, like 12-2-4-6-8-10 helps alot to follow the compas. But I think about it in sixes, like 6-8-10, that keeps it only as three foot taps which help to follow the compas by feeling, basically eliminating the counting to feeling constant three foot taps, that way when you end on the third tap you know the ending is in compas. Diego del morao is one of the players who use foot tapping on every second beat of bulerias

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Ramon Amira -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 14:39:40)
quote: Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du No it isn't. Ramon

Sr. Martins -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 14:49:02)
LOOOOOOL [:D]

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tele -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 15:08:15)
I suppose that's the basic half compas -- but it can be also --*-. I find it to be much easier to follow(compas) when thinking in sixes

guitarbuddha -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 15:14:21)
If you make a list of all the things that you don't need to do it will include all of the things you do. Well that's not quite true, for example if either list is not honestly compiled. The first list can be as long as you like, the second is always has zero items. D

Ricardo -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 21:43:51)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prominent Critic quote: Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du No it isn't. Ramon Well, it is an important palmas pattern. Although I would revise it as "uhm" is felt more than heard strong as written so it is: uhm Dudee du DU! du du uhm Dudee du DU! du du....etc

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 21:50:56)
[:)] Flamenco guitar is a percussion instrument. Start Acting like percussionists.

Leñador -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 21:58:45)
Awesome mastery of compas! Playing drums can be really beneficial to guitarists I think. I keep an electronic set in my appt and try to put a good 20 minutes a day on 'em. I have trouble finding songs I want to learn that aren't a million miles an hour though......been going through my corrosion of conformity and Down.

Ricardo -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 22:35:38)
quote: ORIGINAL: RibNibbler [:)] Flamenco guitar is a percussion instrument. Start Acting like percussionists. Thanks god you switched to hi hat at 1:09, ride sucks!! [:D] just kidding. doc compas is loud as hell on your iphone [:D])

Sr. Martins -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 22:44:29)
quote: been going through my corrosion of conformity and Down. Go and play 'Clean my wounds' \m/

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 22:45:02)
quote: Thanks god you switched to hi hat at 1:09, ride sucks!! Could have been worse... there IS a cowbell there[;)] playing on the ride while keeping left foot going on the hats in twos doesn't exactly suck[8D]

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 23:01:32)
quote: You can tell me what you want but I promise you that I never met someone from Andalucía who knows that flamenco-reloj thingy. The people there told me exactly that: Uhm du du DU du du that's the main groove, the rest comes natural. that's the way how you learn in Andalucía, without the theoretical BS. Bingo!

johnnefastis -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 23:08:24)
It's been on here a few times before but I think this is a great video. Cheers

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 12 2013 23:41:35)
quote: Stop counting!! 1. Find a well played example of bulerias compas played slowly, and just listen. 2. Stop counting. 3. If the lesson includes counting, skip over that section. 4. Stop counting don't use a metronome either. remain ignorant and don't use tools that make understanding easier to achieve. continue playing streams of memorized note sequences out of rhythm and when you wonder why when you sit down with other musicians, dancers and singers that you can't keep steady time with them, blame it on them. Its not really your fault, you don't need to count or use a metronome because toddK says so.

FredGuitarraOle -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 0:44:59)
Rib, I think you missunderstood what Todd was trying to say. I believe his advice was meant for people who are beginning to learn bulerías, so they don't get all confused with the counting (which can be very confusing at first, at least it was for me). He didn't advise Aretium to do that on the long term.[;)]

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 0:52:50)
Glad to know there is at least one person who knows what toddK is thinking. Thanks for the clarification.

estebanana -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 2:35:51)
quote: quote: Bulerías is just: Uhm du du DU du du Uhm du du DU du du No it isn't. That is becaue it's actually: Burrito, burrito, caboose, caboose, caboose, taco [:D][:D][:D][:D]

rombsix -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 2:40:26)
quote: Burrito, burrito, caboose, caboose, caboose, taco Watch this video starting from 1:11 in reference to the above. [8D][:D]

Leñador -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 2:46:11)
Lmfao![:D]

FredGuitarraOle -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 2:53:19)
quote: ORIGINAL: RibNibbler Glad to know there is at least one person who knows what toddK is thinking. Thanks for the clarification. Look man, I just wrote that so that maybe you could look at the man's opinion in another perspective, instead of making such a sarcastic comment like you did. Not cool... I'm here mainly to learn stuff and also laugh a bit, as everyone else I suppose. There are already enough people here that pick on each other, misread comments, trash others and start stupid fights for nothing. If the great players in this forum (like you, of course) start making comments like that about other great players opinions, this place will go down the drain and won't have much to offer in my opinion. But I'm quite new here, maybe this has always been like this... quote: Watch this video starting from 1:11 in reference to the above. Funny video Ramzi![:D]

RibNibbler -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 4:07:43)
Looks like you might guilty of misinterpretation yourself. Humor is good and a necessary ingredient for flamenco and most especially bulerias. Please do accept my sincere apology if you found my reply offensive. I am reply on an iPhone and here in Kazakhstan it is cold and my mittens are imparing my ability to type or else I would have used some emoticons to express how I am feeling right now. [:D] I think the burrito, burrito, taco thing is best actually. Counting rhythmic cycles is stupid and no serious musicians ever count. BTW, I can't really play myself so don't take anything I say too seriously.

ToddK -> RE: Learning Bulerias (May 13 2013 4:08:36)
quote: don't use a metronome either. remain ignorant and don't use tools that make understanding easier to achieve. continue playing streams of memorized note sequences out of rhythm and when you wonder why when you sit down with other musicians, dancers and singers that you can't keep steady time with them, blame it on them. Its not really your fault, you don't need to count or use a metronome because toddK says so. I guess its that time of the month. [:D]

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