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estebanana -> Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 19:44:31)

I made Jason McGuire a fretless bass out of one of my old cutaway flamenco guitar experiments. We nicknamed it La Fea.

It is a regular cypress body / spruce top, but I chopped the headstock and installed bass tuners. Then I "Jaco Pasturized" it by pulling the frets, replacing them with slats of maple veneer to fill the slot and keep the fret positions marked.

The strings are polyurethane called Pahoehoe strings because they resemble the ropey pahoehoe lava found ouzing out of Hawaiian volcanoes. These strings originally converted baritone ukuleles into small basses, we just ordered longer strings and put them on a cutaway guitar.

Rumor has it Funk Daddy J will be playing this bass on some tracks on his forth coming CD~








JuanDaBomb -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 19:56:30)

Man, I thought you were just kidding when you told me about this! but it actually came out looking pretty legit!! [8D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 20:04:26)

That may be fun to play but it sounds like poop [&:]



Erik van Goch -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 20:14:13)

:-)



mezzo -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 20:50:53)

sounds great!
2nd vid is really groovy [:)]



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 20:54:00)

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That may be fun to play but it sounds like poop


That's why we nicknamed it La Fea. Get it? I recorded it on an android phone, it's not the best recording equipment. [:D]

It is also good for flamenco players because the polyurethane strings don't tear up your right hand nails like steel round wound electric bass strings do. It will sound even better when it gets its internal mic system.



Leñador -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 20:58:18)

I've played on those strings before, they are nice on your fingers. They do sound kinda wobbly acoustically but with pickups/mics they sound fine.

Pretty awesome Frankenstein though! Love the name [:D]



JuanDaBomb -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 21:19:11)

was kinda hoping you'd call it the Fender Stratobastard...



Leñador -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 21:32:47)

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Fender Stratobastard...


That's brilliant!



Jeff Highland -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 22:03:02)

Sounds fine to me, typical of the poly strings
I'm just starting my own bass project, but built around a 34" scale with Savarez classical bass guitar strings



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 22:10:50)

The theme song to Barney Miller in the first vid--lol.



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 22:16:17)

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was kinda hoping you'd call it the Fender Stratobastard...


That's good Juanitosan, that's why we keep you in Banana Co. as Vice Presidente in charge of propaganda.



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 22:17:29)

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The theme song to Barney Miller in the first vid--lol.


I think the second on is a Zed Lepplen bass line.



rogeliocan -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 5 2013 22:32:53)

I would have thought it would have more (some) resonance being from a regular guitar body but it has none, like if the saddle was on a piece of 2 by 10. Not sure you would want that much sound but how come here is no resonance at all, I guess it's the strings???



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 0:03:31)

Its funny, because the floor under my feet vibrates as you play but I guess that is some sort of phantom resonance or just my feet's imagination...[8D]



El Burdo -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 0:04:03)

C'mon man, Donna Lee!



rogeliocan -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 0:32:27)

maybe that is just it, the body is too small for such low resonance.... that is why basses are so big... I have no clue, I don't even know how it should sound. Just surprised there is so little sound coming out compared to a guitar.... just like a bass is I guess...



Ricardo -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 1:36:20)

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ORIGINAL: rogeliocan

I would have thought it would have more (some) resonance being from a regular guitar body but it has none, like if the saddle was on a piece of 2 by 10. Not sure you would want that much sound but how come here is no resonance at all, I guess it's the strings???



Well, it's a flamenco guitar, it is not supposed to have tons of sustain and harmonics. It is being played near the bridge so it is only punch (he could get more tone over the sound hole), and the strings probably too light tension. But honestly stand up bass guitars are not very resonant to me, they just thump and groove.

ricardo



rogeliocan -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 14:56:26)

yeah... makes sense, really low frequencies too. Although it makes no sense, I just though it would be different because of how loud normal guitars are, I have not even played an acoustic base guitar... just not what I would have imagined.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 17:10:53)

Ive played double bass (with fingers) for years and everything that tries to be a bass on a short scale / small body sounds like crap to me, I guess we cant expect an instrument body to be designed for one thing and then be great at something else.

Anyways, the way he is playing it in the videos wouldnt sound good on any bass. In fact, he is just playing guitar with bass strings.



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 20:50:58)

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Ive played double bass (with fingers) for years and everything that tries to be a bass on a short scale / small body sounds like crap to me, I guess we cant expect an instrument body to be designed for one thing and then be great at something else.

Anyways, the way he is playing it in the videos wouldnt sound good on any bass. In fact, he is just playing guitar with bass strings.


Ok well I'm not here to defend my little bass I made for fun, but you might get cheered up by listening to the theme song from Barney Miller, an old America comedy show about NYPD. You have to realize I made this for fun so he could play without messing up his nails, if you don't like it I'm sorry.

Is no mi yob to mak yu hapy. [:-]

[;)][;)][:-]



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 21:18:46)

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Well, it's a flamenco guitar, it is not supposed to have tons of sustain and harmonics. It is being played near the bridge so it is only punch (he could get more tone over the sound hole), and the strings probably too light tension. But honestly stand up bass guitars are not very resonant to me, they just thump and groove.


I think the idea was to make a bass-guitar that is easy to play. Jason and I were sitting on the couch two weeks ago, watching Bugs Bunny cartoons, eating Oreo cookies and milk while chatting idly about the finer points of the story line of the The Hobbit. So inspired was I from this stimulating conversation that it struck me I could reclaim this old junker guitar by putting those honky polyurethane strings on it.

Jason intends on putting an internal mic system in the guitar and then processing the sound to get what he wants. The fact that he can jam on it the same way he jams on guitar was the point of making the thing. A great player from NY will be featured on his next CD, Tim Leferve, a phenomenal bass player. I saw them play together last week at Yoshi's Jazz Club in San Francisco, Tim read the charts Jason wrote, man they really lock the groove together.

So La Fea will get some bit parts on the CD, but not be the featured bass or bass player .....but I bet when it is in the final mix it will sound good.

It's just fun for me to get to be around when these guys jam and to be able to learn more about instruments from such good players. As an instrument maker I stick really close to the best players I can get to hear and ask them what they are doing so my understanding of instruments is always growing and becoming more cultivated. When I take chances or experiment, successful or not, I learn a great deal. When great players see an instrument maker taking chances, risking or trying out a new idea, they take an interest and give feedback. That is how instruments evolve.

I'm even developing a special 'Traffic Cone Tournavoz' and I expect you Ricardo to provide a professional test bed when we take it to on stage trials.

As professional courtesy to you, I'm reserving my best rosette stickers for you.
[:D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 6 2013 21:24:36)

I was just commenting about my view on basses, you dont have to defend anything.



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 0:03:19)

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I was just commenting about my view on basses, you dont have to defend anything.


I think we all pretty can tell the difference between a large carved double bass and a pretender. But it is good that you are vigilant and don't let any bass fouls slip by. [:D]



Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 0:31:48)

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I think the second on is a Zed Lepplen bass line.


Led Zeppelin--Trampled Under Foot...



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 1:06:26)

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Led Zeppelin--Trampled Under Foot...


Ding Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner![:)]



kikkoman -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 1:30:53)

where da slappin??



TANúñez -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 2:03:44)

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was kinda hoping you'd call it the Fender Stratobastard...


LOL I actually have an old Strat that I call the Stratobastard lol



TANúñez -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 2:04:57)

That's pretty off the hook Stephen. I really dig your thinking and creativity.



estebanana -> RE: Fretless flamenco bass shenanigans (Mar. 7 2013 3:34:40)

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LOL I actually have an old Strat that I call the Stratobastard lol


That is funny. There is micro brewed beer form Northern California called Arrogant Bastard.

I like saying BASTARD on the Foro because Simon lets us. [:D]



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