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Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 21:39:20)

So.. to be a Solea we have the E F initial bit, the "adventure part" Am C F E and some Am G F E?

Is this the basic or am I missing something?



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 21:51:29)

My theory knowledge sucks so I call this solea F:

--0------
--1------
--2------
--3------
----------
----------

Basic compas is "solea F" beats 1-3 Cmaj 4-6 "solea F" 7-9 Emaj 10-12.

This is really not enough info but I've already typed it out so I'm leaving it. That book I sent you has some great simple solea examples for compas and falsetas.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 21:54:26)

Thats what I call the "adventure part". Is that the only thing needed to call something a solea?



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 22:00:40)

quote:

Is that the only thing needed to call something a solea?

Nooooooooooooo, it has to be played like a solea. What does that mean? I can't quite say, there's a certain "je ne sais quoi" (all the french I know) that makes palos sound like that palo, if you just play those chords in that order you'd have a decent waltz/vals but not necessarily a solea. I'll try and find some you tube videos for beginners, I feel like Ramzy's gotta have one.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 22:14:57)

Thats the part I already know, basically that applies to every palo [8D]

What I want to know is in terms of structure (form).



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 22:28:48)

Aight, 0:18 - 0:38, that's about as basic as it gets for solea compas structure.




Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 22:44:12)

Hmm.. I guess that covers pretty much the progressions I mentioned earlier, which is what Iam diggin into right now.

How long do these challenges usually last?



Flamencito -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 23:05:40)

Hey Rui,

From what i've learned from my teacher the essential progression is:

beats 1,2,3 --> Fmaj 7 played from string 4 to 1 (open)
beats 4,5,6 --> C major
beats 7,8,9 --> Fmaj 7 played from string 4 to 1 (open)
beats 10,11,12 --> Remates based on the E major chord

So that's the fundamental harmony al cantaores know to sing over...

I think that Norman has a great page with falsetas & remates.

http://canteytoque.es/solsamp.htm


@Ricardo, That video was a lesson, so i think it's pretty normal that it's not meant to be listening material. For a beginning player like me this kind of videos (played really clear) are really nice to study. I can understand for you it's a boring video though [;)]

Something I am curious about to know from people that want to join: How long would you prefer this challenge to last?



FredGuitarraOle -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 23:21:48)

quote:

Something I am curious about to know from people that want to join: How long would you prefer this challenge to last?

I don't know... the deadline could be in 2 months more or less. I think it gives plenty of time for beginners to learn, practise and record a 2 or 3 minutes Soleá.



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Feb. 28 2013 23:25:07)

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2 months more or less


I like it.



Erik van Goch -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 1:11:47)

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ORIGINAL: Rui Martins

Thats what I call the "adventure part". Is that the only thing needed to call something a solea?


As mentioned by Lenador chord sequences like above "adventure part" (f-c-f-e) only becomes soleares when you play variations that fit the picture.

I included a couple of those variations in the second half of a long contribution that focused on the art of gradually building up your technique/understanding by adding more and more notes to a well chosen starting pattern in small evolutionary steps.

The compas variations i included are based on what you could call the thump/arpeggio variations of f,c,f,e (which happens to be one of the basic compas variations of soleares).

The variations start after the ****** intermission line.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=212197&appid=&p=5&mpage=1&key=&tmode=1&smode=1&s=#212524



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 8:06:39)

The adventure part is the Am C F E part[8D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 17:23:44)

Today Ive listened to lots of soleas and some of them (instrumentals) dont begin on the 12 beat compas, it sounds like a free form improv that builds up to a point where the rhythm & chords of the solea begin.

Is this what Iam hearing or there's no such thing?



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 17:27:58)

Not impossible, but not common. Solea phrasing begins on 1 normally though, it is played rubato a lot of times but it's not quite as free as a toque libre like granainas or rondenas.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 17:43:12)

Yes, thats the term... rubato, very rubato [8D]



El Kiko -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:23:49)

Well if your gonna get all technical with you A minor and C maj chords and rubato stuff , Thats me almost out ....

Actually I think I already had Rubato when I was a kid , . I dont think you can get it twice ...



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:25:37)

I heard parents are having rubato parties to expose their children early [:D]



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:26:32)

Its easier for me to communicate with the common vocabulary than to make videos. Whats wrong with that?



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:27:41)

That was a Simpsons episode [:D]



Leñador -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:35:34)

What's up with your avater Rui? Is she seeing anyone? [:D]

Mamasota........



Sr. Martins -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 1 2013 18:57:57)

This was my last avatar, I got tired of her lips kissing everyone all the time so now she just stares lol



Northern Rock -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 3 2013 20:25:49)

El Kiko and Lenador.................................................... thank you !



Flamencito -> RE: Spring Challenge (Mar. 5 2013 16:45:00)

The Spring 2013 - Soleá Challenge has been created. Check it out (and subscribe) in the Challenges section!

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=225796&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1



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