Ricardo -> RE: AE911Truth (Feb. 7 2013 15:14:45)
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ORIGINAL: Deniz "I know it makes no sense to other folks, but it's why our country is free." It makes no sense absolutely, like for all humans in all eternity :D. Your country is free because there is no threat to its sovereignity, that would be practically relevant. Other states are not in that condition, the amount of freedom in those states is less. This obvservation is true for all democratic states and all epoches that i know. Freedom has never been "you can do whatever you want", it is always a particular freedom for a particular act, granted by a power (NOT YOU or anybody that is subjected by this power), and which secures that nothing you can do within that freedom in any way is a serious threat to that power. (even true for non-states, ie earlier centuries) The existence of martial law, where most freedom is taken away from the citizen as soon as the public order is in danger, is nothing but a proof of my definition of freedom. "To the point you can get away with treason...but you will be punished for it and for good reason. If there were any truth to the paranoia as I said, you would be taken out BEFORE you get to commit treason. Treason does get commited belive it or not. " If someone gets punished, how do you define getting away with it then???? You cant prevent people from acting against the law, you would need to bust them preemptively, like in "minority report ". As i said i dont care whether the theories you, albeit wrongly, call paranoia are true theories, i am assuming they are not. But even if it were, there is no reason to censor it, if it does not harm any official interests or activities. And Stone's theories are simply nothing that needs to be taken serious PRACTICALLY, even if they were correct THEORETICALLY. You said it yourself, he is perceived as an entertainer by most. In that function, he is even benefitting the state, and he is successfull too, so he helps growing the economy etc ... Freedom to talk against the governments actions is allowed and tolerated. We want that freedom to speak out and take down the government if need be. In case of martial law, if the people at large are under attack by the admin in power (not an individual), we have second amendment. There is not ever a need to take out citizens that speak out or leak top secret info in black covert operations...as sexy as that sounds. Instead what happens is secrets are sold or whatever, it is discovered, and then we can punish those involved for endangering the nation. The conspiracy concept is this: government is a dark evil entity bent on world domination and has already and is silencing those with info...yet it leaks out and those that reveal it are labelled as crazy and paranoid and thus the evil entity need not act and can continue with it's dark plans. My point is this. If this were true, then why the all mighty in control even BOTHER with the illusion of rights and freedoms AT ALL? It has no need if its so true the people CAN NOT bring it down. Well, the further conspiracy is that the gov wants to maintain the illusion and slowly remove freedoms law by law... at the level of hating the polar opposite administrative party. And so it goes on and on....People like STONED ARE believed by many...that is why he can do something called a documentary. People believe that crap, and further like to twist the "information" to their personal liking. For example a democrat will go "republicans are ignorant and prejudice and hate poor people so there must be some hidden agendas by them, stoned is on to something...yes thats it JOHNSON killed him for profit!!!!"[:D] [:D] Anyway, it's how I see it living here, and not being polarized either direction. People of this world always getting all worked up about stuff they make up in their heads. Look if people that i meet personally were talking bad about the gov, yet NOT smoking weed all the time and paranoid about all kinds of stuff, I might be worried.[:D] For the right wingers, well, they just need some science classes and encouraged to spend some money if they have any, that's all.
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