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suniram -> Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 12:27:37)

Hi All,

I am about to start the frensh polishing of my first build now and I am wondering about the oil tu use. In the thread Anders started about Frensh Polish some time ago I saw that some of you use Parrafin oil, so I would like to give it a try.

However I am facing some difficulties to get it. In the drug stores I asked so far they never have it in stock and are always telling me that "this is probably not what you want" and they offer Vaseline Oil. In the last shop I wasnt even able to make an order for it because the guy also thought that "it wasnt what I would really need". I think its very funny that these guys seem to know better what I am looking for, but as I am a complete newbie I am not sure now if it is really what I am looking for.... :)

So the two questions I have are:

1. Is Parrafin Oil definitely another thing than Vaseline Oil ?
and 2. If so, can anybody tell me if "aceite de parafina" is the correct translation for Parrafin Oil in Spanish?

Thanks a lot for your help

best regards
Marinus




Wayne Brown -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 12:36:37)

You can order it from www.internationalviolin.com in the US. Item # 10322.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 12:39:57)

I use "mineral oil", might be the same thing as paraffin oil. If you're going to get mineral oil, avoid the "baby oil" because it has fragrances and chemicals added, get the stuff that's recommended as a laxative.
Vaseline as far as I know is petroleum jelly, I would avoid that for french polishing but it can help make your arpeggios faster [:)]




aarongreen -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 13:52:55)

Parrafin oil is usually pretty easy to get at a woodworking store. It's sold as such, I don't think it's related to mineral oil but thats just my guess. I used it for years although I have been using walnut oil for the last several years with good results. Not sure which I prefer but I do know that walnut oil is a drying oil and probably better for the pumice pore filling procedure than a non drying oil

aaron




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 16:12:35)

Parafin oil can be called many things.
Its normal use is for little oil lamps. Sometimes its used for lightning barbecues.
On the bottle that I use right now, there are 4 names for it:
*parafina para lamparas
*parafina liquida
*aceite liturgico para velas
*cera liquida

I guess they didnt really know what they were selling. [:D]
You can use all kinds of oil, but the heavyer ones stay on the surface and needs to be removed. If not, the oilfilm does that you cant see the imperfections you need to fill.




nickmontez -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 25 2013 22:04:29)

Is the oil used for lubrication for pumice pore filling?




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 7:35:26)

quote:

Is the oil used for lubrication for pumice pore filling?


no no no no..... Never anything else than alcohol when porefilling with pumice.

The oil is for lubricating the pad when you French Polish. Shellack dries very fast and if you dont use oil, the pad sticks and leaves marks in the finish.
The problem with oil is that you need to remove it.
Tradition says olive oil, but it never dries away, so you need to remove it with something, which is quite a lot of work. Parrafin oil evaporates pretty fast, so you dont have to remove it. It evaporates. It actually evaporates so fast that when the weather gets hot, you need to use a thicker oil on the pad and the you can remove that oil with parrafin oil, which also works as a thinner for thicker oils, meaning you can also mix parrafin oil with a thicker oil when its hot in the workshop.... etc. etc.

And so is French Polishing all the way through. There´s no final recipe. You have to find your own way which is based on trial. (thats why all the tutorials I´ve seen are so bad because they make you think you have to do it in one way) The Pad needs to move smooth and work for at least some minuts and you have to remove the oil after each session. If you dont remove a thick oil like olive oil, then you cant see your work. It all looks pretty until the oil is gone.
Also, you have to learn how much shellack to put on or in the pad and you have to learn how much pressure to work with. This last thing is easy to see. If you leave swirl marks when you polish, to much shellack comes out of the pad. This because you have to much shellack in or on it or because you use to much pressure. If the pad sticks, then you are either making to sharp turns or there´s not enough oil on the pad.

I charge my pad with shellack from the inside and i put oil on the outside. And then I start with very little pressure and gradually put more pressure on the pad when there´s less shellack in it and finally I do long strokes, adding a drop of alcohol on the outside of the pad. This in order to level the surface and remove little marks from the pad.

French Polishing is a very intuitive and organic proces. It has little to do with brain work. Put some nice music on and play with you pad. Nothing can go wrong everything can be removed.

The problem with French Polish is that when you do it in order to make money, then the process seems very long and you easily push to much. The perfect solution is to have a seperate FP room and then take all the time you need, leave everythinbg to dry for days and continue working in the workshop at the same time.




suniram -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 8:43:22)

Thanks a lot everyone,

I finally got "aceite de Isoparafina" now (and without any discussion with the storekeeper if it was what I really wanted , he just sold it to me... :) and on the bottle it says "para lamparas decorativas". So I think its the same thing you have Anders. The next days I will start this adventure then....and I have a lot of time...so I am looking forward to it.

Great to have you guys around here in the foro !!!

best regards
Marinus




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 13:37:32)

Bueno, si estás en España, te lo había podido explicar facilmente:

Lo compro en uno de estos superchinos....[8D]

Y segurísimo que es lo mismo..




suniram -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 15:30:19)

segurísimo... :))

me encantan los superchinos...son lo mas cutre y deprimente que hay, pero se encuentra de todo...,


un saludo desde Madrid




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 15:40:53)

Los superchinos son una imagen de la sociedad en que vivimos.

Llenos de mierda y mala calidad. comprar y tirar y 95% (los 5% incluye vela liquida) importado desde lejos.
Dentro de poco no vamos a producir nada aquí en nuestra parte del mundo.




suniram -> RE: Parrafin oil - Vaseline oil (Jan. 26 2013 16:40:40)

totalmente cierto, te doy toda la razón.....

me mareo cuando pienso en la escalofriante cantidad de basura que se produce a diario en las fábricas del mundo (y sobre todo en las de china y de esos paises) y que nadie realmente necesita y que a pesar de eso va inundando el mundo , poco a poco ...contenedor por contendor.....




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