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Brendan -> Damaged buttons (Oct. 10 2012 22:57:49)

Calling luthiers,

I've somehow managed to crack two of my tuning buttons. I don't want to replace the whole gear machinery, but I understand that the buttons are not standard sizes between manufacturers. Is there any hope of getting buttons to fit?

The guitar is a Juan Salvador, who does not have a website. I emailled the dealer but so far have not had the courtesy of a reply.

All advice gratefully received.



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estebanana -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 10 2012 23:55:41)

Look at All Parts website and Stew Mac website under tuners. Stew Mac frst.




JuanDaBomb -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 0:35:33)

Also, don't forget to check Ebay vendors [:)] I found some ebony buttons to replace some plastic buttons on one of my guitars through Ebay (from some guy in China). They fit perfectly because they were actually made by the same manufacturer, even though they weren't labeled that way in the seller's ad. It takes a bit of detective work to find out what you have and what will fit it. I'd take one of the tuners off and see if there is a brand name on it somewhere.

EDIT: wooot! you're in luck I think! Those are the same ones that are on my Benito Whoopie guitar. I'll post a photo or 2 a little later, but I already notice the brand emblem on the back of them: Der Jung.

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?lang=en

I'll see if I can help you pinpoint the model a little later. Right now it's coffee time!




estebanana -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 2:04:09)

Yes The Bomber is right, I checked on Stew Mac and All Parts today, and found nothing similar.




JuanDaBomb -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 3:05:16)

Ok here is a photo of mine. As you can see, pretty much the same except for the button color [:)]



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JuanDaBomb -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 3:14:03)

IF those are your tuners, then they are these here:

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?option=product&lang=en&task=showinfo&id=18801

The description says you can use a "P" or "A" series button, here:

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?option=product&lang=en&task=showlist&id=18710

I bought mine from this guy here:

http://stores.ebay.com/LueezGuitar/Buttons-/_i.html?_fsub=3565496018&_sid=42458688&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

but you should search all of Ebay.




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 7:36:32)

I am seriously impressed! By the willingness to take time to help a stranger and the speed and accuracy of the detective work. Deep thanks.




JuanDaBomb -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 11 2012 19:46:08)

Hey, no problem Brendan. Hope that info helps you out! [;)]




Shawn Brock -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 12 2012 23:19:53)

Well there you go... Juan and Stephen are the man! Well, men, I mean.




keith -> RE: Damaged buttons (Oct. 13 2012 1:18:47)

juan hit the button on the head--der jung. i have a pair of them on a cordoba guitar and they work great. you probably can get new tuners for the price of just buttons. the website juan posted is where i found mine. they have aged bronze "hauser type" with black buttons and rollers, "fustero type" and a host of other styles--such as "rubner types". as i recall they have rosewood looking buttons, ebony, snakewood, white buttons, black rollers, etc. etc.




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Jan. 13 2017 20:58:25)

Dear Luthiers,

Now, five years later, I've lost one of the black screws that hold the cogs in place. I only noticed now when changing strings, so it could have dropped out anywhere and I didn't notice because it was all held in place by string-tension.

Are these screws standard, or do I have to get one (or six) from Der Jung?

(See the photo at the top of the post.)

Thanks again.




aqualibguitars -> RE: Damaged buttons (May 29 2017 6:44:41)

Hello brenden.
u can take off another screw and visit hardware shop for same size
i have just started making tuning keys of my own.
can u let me know the dimension of the screw.
and if possible remove the worm and let me know the dimensions
i can try to send the buttons and the screws.
trying to help as much as i can




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (May 29 2017 8:02:43)

Thanks, that's very generous. In the end, the shop where I bought the guitar helped me out, so it's all fine.




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (May 14 2020 23:03:05)

More tuning head news! Now, the cog wheel of the D-string tuner has lost a tooth and the frame of the mechanism is starting to buckle away from the headstock:





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Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (May 14 2020 23:04:29)

I could buy some new gears and try to fit them, but before I do that, is there likely to be some underlying problem that I can’t see?

Thanks as always,

BL




Stu -> RE: Damaged buttons (Jun. 3 2020 0:19:31)

Hi Brendan, when did you last lubricate the gears there?




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 13 2023 14:33:29)

Never. I don’t want bits of grit sticking to the gears.

Is Der Jung still in business? Their website now has a picture of someone in a bikini.




Ricardo -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 13 2023 15:14:26)

quote:

More tuning head news! Now, the cog wheel of the D-string tuner has lost a tooth and the frame of the mechanism is starting to buckle away from the headstock:


Have you changed the tap plate yet? I would say forget parts, invest in brand new tuners. Done.




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 13 2023 15:55:23)

That’s the plan. Does any business in the UK stock Der Jung?




estebanana -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 14 2023 0:45:17)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Calling luthiers,

I've somehow managed to crack two of my tuning buttons. I don't want to replace the whole gear machinery, but I understand that the buttons are not standard sizes between manufacturers. Is there any hope of getting buttons to fit?

The guitar is a Juan Salvador, who does not have a website. I emailled the dealer but so far have not had the courtesy of a reply.

All advice gratefully received.



For inexpensive tuners shop eBay:

https://www.ebay.com search classical guitar tuners der Jung




julianev -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 14 2023 8:22:01)

It looks like Madinter in Spain stock them currently - they will ship to the UK but I'm guessing you will need to pay import duty now since the joys of brexit. https://www.madinter.com/en/der_jung




Firefrets -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 14 2023 9:24:42)

This is an old thread, but you can fix broken buttons like that with dust and glue surely?




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 14 2023 11:38:01)

This is my ongoing maintenance thread. I bust a button ages ago. Since then, I’ve (now twice) stripped teeth from tuning gear cogs (and split the top side but that was never going to be a home repair).

I’ve found a Der Jung seller on eBay. I’m just nursing a forlorn hope of not paying the shipping from Croatia or Spain.




Firefrets -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 14 2023 12:30:23)

I use a spray teflon based grease called Lubrice on the gears, which goes on like oil, but sets like grease. Each time you change your strings, give everything a going over with an old toothbrush etc, a quick spray, and your tuners will always feel great. Gears don't pick up much at all really. You can use it in your nut slots too.




silddx -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 16 2023 11:21:12)

These are questions based on my near pure ignorance. Feel free to give me a little slap.

I am surprised that these tuners have been so unreliable, and so easily damaged. Is this something you are doing? Or are the tuners simply poor quality materials and construction? Is there a reason you want to replace like for like rather than upgrade to something that will last?




Ricardo -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 16 2023 15:59:02)

quote:

ORIGINAL: silddx

These are questions based on my near pure ignorance. Feel free to give me a little slap.

I am surprised that these tuners have been so unreliable, and so easily damaged. Is this something you are doing? Or are the tuners simply poor quality materials and construction? Is there a reason you want to replace like for like rather than upgrade to something that will last?


Entropy due to wear is a fact of life. My least played guitars are fine. But the ones i change strings on constantly for gigs…those have been changed, in fact tap plates have changed multiple times as well, and I found that two tap plates equals one set of tuners. Facts of life.




Brendan -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 17 2023 17:09:53)

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.




silddx -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 17 2023 22:04:16)

Thanks chaps. Understood.




estebanana -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 18 2023 3:11:39)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.


If the screw holes don’t line up you can plug the old ones with a toothpick dipped in glue.

You don’t need to drill new holes, in fact it’s better not to drill. Start the hole by poking through the tuner plate with an ice pick ( carpenters marking awl) and then just begin the screw in that hole. The wood is soft and the screws are small, it works this way.




Ricardo -> RE: Damaged buttons (Sep. 18 2023 12:01:12)

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.


If the screw holes don’t line up you can plug the old ones with a toothpick dipped in glue.

You don’t need to drill new holes, in fact it’s better not to drill. Start the hole by poking through the tuner plate with an ice pick ( carpenters marking awl) and then just begin the screw in that hole. The wood is soft and the screws are small, it works this way.


The screws that come with most tuners are very pointy, so you can actually use the screw itself to poke that guide hole. Only error I have made is letting a screw go in slightly crooked by accident. I assume that is the main reason for drilling…but yes, very soft wood.




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