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Heartfeltflamenco -> good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 18 2012 23:15:43)

looking to build my first negra and i want something different than rose wood, is Monkey pod good thanks for the help




estebanana -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 18 2012 23:26:09)

Most of the woods you get are good, however I have found that heavy woods or really dense woods don't please me s much for negras. So the really glassy sounding when you tap them or dense species I stay away from now if I can help it. I prefer the darker woods which have less density. Macassar Ebony, Maylasian black wood, stuff like that does not interest me as much anymore. Bubinga, Walnut, Black Acacia, Caviuna and other that feel like those, are all woods I prefer if not using Indian Rosewood. Granted that is spread of qualities and species, each piece will be different. I've just found I personally don't like working with the really heavy stuff.




jshelton5040 -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 18 2012 23:50:42)

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ORIGINAL: Heartfeltflamenco

looking to build my first negra and i want something different than rose wood, is Monkey pod good thanks for the help

Stephan is right. Stay away from heavy, dense woods. Madagascar Rosewood is a nice choice if you don't want to use East Indian RW. I always try to talk customers into East Indian RW because of it's stability and weight.




Andy Culpepper -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 2:39:32)

Also consider Padauk/Coral. It's not a rosewood and it's in a league of its own as a fantastic tonewood IMO. Generally stiffer than EIR and can be worked really thin and it has a really musical taptone and extremely responsive sound.
I have made one guitar with it that turned out fantastic and I have orders for 2 more. If those turn out just as good I will have to start using it as my go-to back and side wood, no joke.




Sean -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 3:32:16)

The list for Negras would be huge, considering anything other then maple or cypress is a Negra.
Monkey pod won't sound like a typical Negra considering its been successfully used as a soundboard on steel string guitars. I personally prefer Blancas over Negras so anything that fits somewhere in between isn't such a bad thing.
There are lots of candidates out there but they don't all share the same workability.




Anders Eliasson -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 7:24:16)

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I always try to talk customers into East Indian RW because of it's stability and weight.


And to this I´ll add tone... Indian RW is a VERY good tonewood.

But most find it to be boring. I agree on Madagascar and Padauk, and if you can get a nice piece of Palo Escrito and live with the little knots, its a very nice sounding Negra wood. Its slightly lighter than the rest.
I think Mahogany should make for a nice negra but I´ve never tried it myself, nor have I seen others use it.




estebanana -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 18:15:31)

I try to recommend Indian Rosewood too, it think even though it's considered common it is a really good wood.




Heartfeltflamenco -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 18:56:34)

palo escrito is good wood then? compare to rosewood which you think has better tone




Peter Tsiorba -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 19:13:05)

I'm finishing a negra in Pau Ferro (my first in that wood) right now. Workability of the wood is very nice. I have not yet made any sound assessments, although it has been used for negras before. Paco DL plays one, that much I know.



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Anders Eliasson -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 20:05:53)

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palo escrito is good wood then? compare to rosewood which you think has better tone


Palo Escrito is a true rosewood. (Dalberhia)

I´ve made just one guitar with the wood and soundwise I like it a lot. It can be pretty as well, but it can also be knotty or with mushy pale stripes.
I would use it a lot more if I had a decent reliable supplier.




TANúñez -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 19 2012 20:48:12)

Bamboo go bars! genius. Never thought of that.




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Heartfeltflamenco -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 20 2012 4:14:24)

nice let me o how it sounds




Anders Eliasson -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 20 2012 7:55:00)

Another good choice would be Panama rosewood if you can get some decent material. It makes for a very nice contrast with Indian rosewood bindings and it has a deep golden brown color.
I´m going to start one very soon and made another 2 years ago which I liked a lot. Here´s a picture before French Polish.





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Heartfeltflamenco -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 20 2012 15:46:28)

wow beautiful thanks for your help




gerundino63 -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 20 2012 20:37:05)

@Anders, the same guitar is on your blog too after french polish.
Very nice :)

@Heartfeldflamenco, scroll down, guitar number 80.

http://news-from-the-workshop.blogspot.nl/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=14




Peter Tsiorba -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 21 2012 0:52:48)

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ORIGINAL: TANúñez

Bamboo go bars! genius. Never thought of that.


Brief distraction from negra woods...yeah, bamboo works well, and we have plenty of it growing around Portland. It costs nothing (for me) and works fine, especially for stronger pressure. I don't use a go bar deck, and prop the bars directly against the ceiling. I also use various thicknesses of wood ripped on the table saw. If more oomph is needed, rip a slightly beefier strip of wood. Otherwise, go thin. Works like a charm. Okay, my apology for a pause, let's go back to discussing negra tonewoods...





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Shawn Brock -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 21 2012 5:50:41)

I have often wondered about walnut for backs and sides. Anyone have generalizations about the tones offered by American compared to Peruvian? Or if walnut is worth a darn over all?

I like palo escrito a lot if its good wood and worked correctly. Palo escrito is what I ordered when I got my negra. I could have chose anything, but went with it and I'm not disappointed.




Anders Eliasson -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 23 2012 23:08:10)

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@Anders, the same guitar is on your blog too after french polish.
Very nice :)


Ahh, thanks I had forgotten that.

So here´s how Panama rosewood looks like with FP:





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estebanana -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 23 2012 23:25:15)

Looks good, makes me want to sing Van Halen songs though.




Heartfeltflamenco -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 25 2012 2:20:41)

is this a good book for learning different method of guitar building or just a biography Antonio de Torres Guitar Maker - His Life & Work




estebanana -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Sep. 25 2012 6:13:02)

If you mean the Romanillos book it is worth reading over and over. And then referring back to it as you know more. Great book.




stephen hill -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Oct. 13 2012 14:00:20)

I use palo escrito, indian, and madagasgar rosewood if its not too dense.




jlneng -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Oct. 18 2012 1:12:15)

Hi All,
I am going to use Oregon myrtle for my next guitar. Anyone here ever used it?
John




Sean -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Oct. 18 2012 2:27:02)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=172115&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=myrtle




Heartfeltflamenco -> RE: good woods to build a negra ? (Oct. 18 2012 2:48:00)

Amazon rosewood?




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