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ToddK -> Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 9:48:20)

Check out 4.50 to 4.57

Maybe the most insane picado burst i've ever witnessed.

Man that was fun!! Wow...



TK




amigo -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 10:13:03)

Yes! Amazing Picado!
I was there at the concert..( Córdoba 2012 - Sala Vimcorsa) Javier is amazing Player...
Another video from the same concert





KMMI77 -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 10:27:07)

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Man that was fun!! Wow...


The clarity of the arps leading into it was pretty fun as well. That picado was over before I knew it[:D]




Kevin James Shanahan -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 10:33:29)

A lot of impressive technique there . You get a good look at his picado posture here at 3.05






ToddK -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 10:55:26)

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You get a good look at his picado posture here at 3.05


Its so odd. I would never teach anyone that right hand position.

Really flexed wrist, and fingers almost totally straight.

But he absolutely rips it apart. Amazing..




Ricardo -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 14:35:40)

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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

quote:

Man that was fun!! Wow...


The clarity of the arps leading into it was pretty fun as well. That picado was over before I knew it[:D]

I was gonna say the same.




jg7238 -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 15:21:37)

Holy picado is right Todd! [:D] Crazy!




Munin -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 15:48:03)

Javier is a legend. And he's only 23...think about that for a moment.




rombsix -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 18:05:07)

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Its so odd. I would never teach anyone that right hand position.

Really flexed wrist, and fingers almost totally straight.

But he absolutely rips it apart. Amazing..


Looks to me identical to Grisha's hand posture, wouldn't you agree?




Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 19:04:03)

It's easier to see his posture in this video of Javier performing a Sabicas zapateado.

I read somewhere in the comments section on YouTube that JC received a standing ovation after each song at one of his concerts. And people wonder who the next legend in the genre might be...




XXX -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 20:07:44)

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ORIGINAL: amigo




rasg 3:44 is funny




Erik van Goch -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 20:19:06)

I met Javier once and he somehow reminded me to some of the amazing savants i saw on television over the years. One of them could replay high level piano recordings after hearing them once (like a human tape recorder) copying all the mistakes as well. Later an other musical savant was discovered who (unlike the normal tendency to copy only) was able to improvise/alter/improve the material as well. Obviously i can not judge Javier after meeting him once briefly, but if he turns out to be some kind of savant as well his remarkable talent might very well be restricted to re-playing/honouring the (other) masters, which in my opinion is highly admirable and enjoyable as well (i totally loved his performance that night).

Does any of you know the guy a little better (or material he composed himself)?




Ricardo -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 12 2012 22:05:12)

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ORIGINAL: Erik van Goch

I met Javier once and he somehow reminded me to some of the amazing savants i saw on television over the years. One of them could replay high level piano recordings after hearing them once (like a human tape recorder) copying all the mistakes as well. Later an other musical savant was discovered who (unlike the normal tendency to copy only) was able to improvise/alter/improve the material as well. Obviously i can not judge Javier after meeting him once briefly, but if he turns out to be some kind of savant as well his remarkable talent might very well be restricted to re-playing/honouring the (other) masters, which in my opinion is highly admirable and enjoyable as well (i totally loved his performance that night).

Does any of you know the guy a little better (or material he composed himself)?


I met him 2006 I think in Gerardo's curso. Despite his abilities he found the advanced class difficult. He had in fact composed a couple of things, but obviously his focus was the classics. He was not shy to improvise, and indeed recognized that relative to playing solos, his accompanyment was far behind and was focusing specifically on this. He accompanied alone a singer por solea and did a fine job. This was 6 years ago, I would expect by know he is far more advanced and well rounded. Not easy to jugde from solo guitar playing, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt he is on his way to make his mark one day as a figura.

Ricardo




Bulerias2005 -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 1:28:22)

Better one:




jg7238 -> [Deleted] (Sep. 13 2012 1:55:00)

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rombsix -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 2:10:39)

And this:





dararith -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 2:20:31)

Those are all insane picado bursts. Very crystal clear attacks. I really like Javier's arpeggios. Goes to show that even unconventional hand technique works.




KMMI77 -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 3:50:54)

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And this:


See, even if you get as fast as rafael you will still want to be better. The look on his face at the end is like, That's close enough but still not perfect[:D]




rombsix -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 3:57:31)

Man, you just gotta admit. The technique people like the most (at least audiences), is by far, picado.

Look here at 1:18 for an example.



(PS: Be careful about the bit of the video from right after the cajon player hits those first percussive marks until the end)




Ramon Amira -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 4:16:07)

quote:

quote:

Its so odd. I would never teach anyone that right hand position.

Really flexed wrist, and fingers almost totally straight.

But he absolutely rips it apart. Amazing..



Looks to me identical to Grisha's hand posture, wouldn't you agree?



I was going to say the same thing – that his straight finger position is very similar to Grisha's. Paco Cepero also uses a fairly straight finger position for picado, and check the speed on the opening of this video.



Ramon




KMMI77 -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 5:41:59)

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Be careful about the bit of the video from right after the cajon player hits those first percussive marks until the end)


Thanks for the warning! I wish i had hit stop[:D]




HolyEvil -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 7:14:46)

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ORIGINAL: ToddK

Check out 4.50 to 4.57

Maybe the most insane picado burst i've ever witnessed.



he is actually the person selling this guitar
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=207929&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
i msged him on who actually made that guitar.

he has such great technique.




XXX -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 15:14:56)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

Man, you just gotta admit. The technique people like the most (at least audiences), is by far, picado.


Maybe because its the only thechnique they are able to recognize from other styles?




Doitsujin -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 13 2012 20:31:19)

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Maybe because its the only thechnique they are able to recognize from other styles?


Agreed. And I think picados come mostly as, or close to llamadas. The people recognize that. Or its just endless..and they recognize that. I think you could also hit a longer llamada with chords and get the same reaction each time, too. Its not that anybody would understand that it is freaking hard to do that, but that there is a point made by the artist.




Grisha -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 15 2012 3:04:20)

These picados are just crazy. I play that solea and I know the scale... although I come close, but I cannot match the speed Javier achieves at the end of the run. Unbelievable!




ToddK -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 20 2012 6:08:34)

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Better one:


Good, but doesnt touch the Javier run.

If we go to the land of Bulerias, then yeah, Rafeal has the edge for sure




Grisha -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 20 2012 6:28:31)

Rafael drags his index finger across the strings. Still, it's almost 230 on the metronome. Crazy stuff.




mrMagenta -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 20 2012 8:51:17)

hahahaha, I felt brave and continued watching, but I didn't expect THAT to follow!! [:o][:o]




Grisha -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 23 2012 20:36:21)

Just to scare everyone a bit. Check out Kema! Ever heard of him? Not flamenco, but a force to be reckoned with when it comes to technique.





Munin -> RE: Holy picado! (Sep. 23 2012 20:50:36)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

Man, you just gotta admit. The technique people like the most (at least audiences), is by far, picado.

Look here at 1:18 for an example.



(PS: Be careful about the bit of the video from right after the cajon player hits those first percussive marks until the end)


Wait WTF, how did I miss this? That's a collaboration I wouldn't have expected to see anytime soon....




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