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Escribano -> Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 5 2012 21:33:27)

The events of the past week and Anders' photos have encouraged me to get my Eliasson blanca out again and dust off the fingernails. I am bored with my Granados books. Can anyone recommend something to help me start over with a fresh eye?




srshea -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 5 2012 21:36:11)

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Can anyone recommend something to help me start over with a fresh eye?


Might I suggest Ron's Lazy Flamenco Series? [;)]

I started working on the solea falseta yesterday evening. Nice stuff.




Tomrocker -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 5 2012 22:12:43)

This is great Simon:) i'd suggest to play anything you liked and played before then choose a falseta of a palo that you really feel like playing it. I may send you some written stuff, just give me a hint:)




changue -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 5 2012 22:36:10)

This guy, , has a load of good videos. He speaks a bit quickly but you can apply the 'monkey see - monkey do' technique... Depends what you like... he's got a 'Carcelero, carcelero' that's pretty nifty and not hard. This Granaina video has some great tremolo practice tips. I have no idea whatsoever where you are currently but I'll chip this in and hope for the best!
More to the point, you're definitely doing the right thing getting the guitar out. Good luck!
CH




bursche -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 13:51:12)

Take some falsetas by Pepe Habichuela.
Most of them are quite simple and very flamenco.
His stuff has always been a great motivation for me.




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 15:43:14)

I´d say the same as srshea... I play the solea falseta and its very nice. I´ve used it a lot and the flamencos love it and ask where I´ve got it from.

Dont go for to high a level at a start. Its all about getting those fingers working again and it might take a bit of time. I personally find learning flamenco from scores to be dead boring, so if I was to learn something new, I would download the mp3 of some youtube thing I like (there´s a youtube to mp3 converter out there for free) and then use a slowdowner like amazing slowdowner or something similar. I learn faster this way.




srshea -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 18:34:51)

Ditto what Anders sez.

Despite the winking smiley, my Ron’s solea suggestion was definitely straight-up. Worked through the second half last night, and I’m pretty stoked to be adding this one to my bag of tricks. A few variations on stuff I already play, but it’s nice to stretch a bit and play that stuff with different chord voicings and little details, instead of just falling back on the same ol', same ol’.

Also, I’m a total white boy and typically pick stuff up from tabs, so it’s a nice exercise to work on getting stuff just from audio and blurry video. I had to listen a little closer and work a bit harder, but it is a more satisfying way to learn, and after just two sittings with that falseta I feel like it has already “stuck” in a way that doesn’t always to happen with stuff I learn from tabs. When I learn stuff from tabs I often get chained to the tabs, or the stuff just comes and goes without every really sinking in.

And I’m pretty sure the first part of the falesta is a variation on something from Pepe Habichuela’s first record (yes? no? don’t have that record here and can’t find it on youtube), so that fits in with Maximilian’s suggestion, and goes back to your Granadino roots.

I guess it’s poor forum etiquette to cut and paste from another thread, but [8|] :

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You're going to see more of me as I tackle a fresh approach to flamenco. I want to work much more on compás, chords, thumb work and rasgeados - which is at the core of the guitar, rather than fancy arps., picado and tremelo. This was something Ron was passionate about and I would like to see if I can do it. So, I will need some help.


I’m in the same boat. I hit a hand injury in, I think, the summer of ’09 and pretty much lost nearly three years of playing. Whenever I did pick up the guitar I made zero progress, and for the most part I just bagged it, and got to thinking about selling it all off and finding something else to do with my time.

But, I got back on the horse this spring, playing an hour a day and managing my, now three, hand injuries, and after a few months of getting back into the swing of things and building some chops back up I started hitting the same old walls from years previous. Having all that time taken away, and weighing the choice of giving up or going on put things into a pretty clear perspective for me, and I realized that if I’m going to get on with this stuff, which I plan to do (tried quitting; didn’t stick,) then I should buckle down and do it right.

So, instead of always fiddling around and having a bunch of scattered crap that I can sort of almost play in a half-assed way, I’ve stripped everything waaaaayyy down to basics. I’m going very slowly, playing a lot of stuff at half speed, and working only on a handful of very basic meat-and-potatoes things in the core toques, solea, tangos, tientos, siguiriyas, FdH, alegrias, bulerias. Nothing fancy at all, but I’m working on getting it to all sound GOOD. Real flamenco tone, tight compas, aire, swing. Pretty much exactly what Ron always told us to focus on, and which Ricardo continues to bust our balls about.

Starting over, indeed.




Ricardo -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 18:55:49)

We are always referencing Norman's site regarding the complexities of cante....but actually he has some really nice short classic excerpts of falsetas on his site that are quite fundamental for any level player beginner to advanced. Especially nice is the evolution of the alzapua falseta.

http://www.canteytoque.es/home.htm




srshea -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 19:19:58)

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....but actually he has some really nice short classic excerpts of falsetas...


Yup. I've used the stuff on the basic solea page as a base to build back up from.




Escribano -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 20:19:50)

Thanks for all your input. I am a bit bored with Solea so I am going for Tangos... 4/4 and all that. Put a bit of swing into my step. [:D]




mezzo -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 20:26:33)

better to start with tientos [Juan martin]




KMMI77 -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 20:59:40)

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I am going for Tangos... 4/4 and all that. Put a bit of swing into my step.


Hey Simon,

I would recommend patiently studying these variations. This guy has a very authentic sound and a great feel.



Or a step by step guide for getting a handle on fandangos de huelva. Rhythm and compas is the most important. Once you have this it's easy to build a few falsetas. But without it the falsetas are worthless.





johnnefastis -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 21:09:50)

Merengue de Córdoba 's Encuentro DVD has a great Tangos which
is on the more accessible side of things. Paco Serrano's is good
For Tangos too.

Good luck, looking forward to see some videos.

Cheers




Escribano -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 21:59:35)

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Hey Simon,

I would recommend patiently studying these variations. This guy has a very authentic sound and a great feel.


I see what you mean and I can practise my Spanish listening skills at the same time. Thanks.




clevblue -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 22:09:24)

I like his stuff, he's patient and easy to follow, even without any Spanish




Tomrocker -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 22:50:47)

Posting two tangos Falsetas for you then 2moro Simon. If i do it now, my anti flamenco neighbors will call the police [:D] ole'!




Escribano -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 22:52:34)

Thanks. I need tabs and audio or video for any recommendations. I work through them at my own pace and I am not good at watching/listening without the tab.




HolyEvil -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 22:54:30)

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ORIGINAL: KMMI77

Hey Simon,

I would recommend patiently studying these variations. This guy has a very authentic sound and a great feel.



hey Kris. thanks for posting this. It seems really useful.




Tomrocker -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 6 2012 22:58:17)

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not good at watching/listening without the tab.


Ok. 2moro i'm off so i'll figure something out.




Florian -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 7 2012 3:38:09)

this is great when you decide what you wanna work on or a palo or technique post and i can make some recommendations and post some tab ...

actually this thread and exercises Piedro Sierra's chromatic ones are pretty good for reviving your technique too, they simple enough but effective enough...http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=206325&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1




changue -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 7 2012 7:27:23)

I did read what you said about prefering tab/scores to work from (honest!) but if you get the time, have a look at this alzapua video. If you have a go at these exercises you will have the thumb of flame.

All the best,
CH




Anders Eliasson -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 7 2012 15:53:58)

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I see what you mean and I can practise my Spanish listening skills at the same time. Thanks.


He´s speaking like me. Authentical guiry andalou. [:D]




Escribano -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 7 2012 16:16:24)

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He´s speaking like me. Authentical guiry andalou.


[;)][;)][;)] I've learned what flamenco I have in Spanish, from books and teachers like Emilio and Albert in Granada. The wife doesn't like to converse in Spanish, so I want to brush it up. Guiri o gitano, no me importa.




Tomrocker -> RE: Starting over - recommendations please (Sep. 7 2012 20:30:16)

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Guiri o gitano, no me importa.


Vale[;)]

i'll extend the whole thing for the coming days as today was crazy and full of the usual duties in the days off[:)]




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