El Kiko -> RE: Does understanding letra help guitarists? (Aug. 26 2012 1:33:46)
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@ Lonnie Wierd I was just thinking of this topic cos of something that happened tonight ....and at this point is where I must part from Ricardos opinion... I was in a bar ..no surprise there. .and a group playing , sang a (rock type ) song in Gaelic , witch is unfortunate for me as It is one of the languages i dont speak . so as a foreigner ( in Ireland ) .. I listened . at a certain point . .. the whole bar , (except me .) sang three words , on beats 1 , 2 , 3 4th rest and then again a bit later in the song ....again except me ... And your question came into my mind , its not only the guitarist that needs to know the words but the audience .... For example at that point the whole band could have not played at all for 3 beats ....so long as they know the effect of the words because of the interaction ....bearing in mind that flamenco ...as a lot of other music is an outlet ...its party time ....so how are you gonna interact ?? huh? Ricardo ..... If it is just music , you could learn and dance a Sevillanas , as a set piece , but you would dance every one the same as the subject ( words) would not effect you , so you are participating but at a lower level .......trust me , on this one , I been dragged up a lot , and it depends on the Sevillanas Letras (words ) if you are going to get thrown around a bit , swapped, or get hold of the girl ... and the guitarrist will play accordingly. So really , I still think that it would do no harm , ... no harm at all for the guitarrist to know the words and the meaning ,.I can not see how it would not help ...it would assist an interacction between the singer and him ... that the , non-speaking audience , may , or may not pick up on ... As a performer you want more of the May than the May not ...and I belive they will get it , also never ever treat your audience as stupid ... if its there they will hear it .. thats why you have those specific people that night to see you ... and you want the best .. I assume ... This is mainly to Lonnie To Ricardo ....who said things of "The lyric content is virtually meaningless to accompanying cante" ... I Personally think that is a enormous mistake on his part and a fairly typical one from a non- Spanish speaking culture .. meaning just follow the rules and it will be OK .... well it might , ... but it might not ,.... .. I think you will get a better deal if you do not "play by numbers " ... follow the singer .....some things may be added or subtracted , its a spur of the moment thing that may only happen once ...you dont want to miss it.. Also you have these strange sentences like ...." but spanish and cante are two different things."" that is just complete nonsense (Mildly ) ....really,,, like someone just invented words that do not exist for some unknown reason .... I dont .. and will never , ever buy that one .. sorry ... no not sorry ... There are two cultures joined in Andalucia , and has been since at least the Reyes Catolicos and long time before , so you have the Spanish , ( Castellano Spanish ) and the Moros , ( the Moorish people ) who still exist there and very much so ....two languages as well .. Including words and phrases that many , (most Castellano spanish do not recoginise , ) this keeps , amongst other things the whole thing ... a bit personalized ... However I have alreaady went to far into history to make a point .... stop ....... So I return to the bar I was in tonight , later the band played a version of Niel Diamond ..Sweet Caroline ... at the right part if the song , of course the whole bar went ....Whoa , Oh , Oh ..." and why not , a massive ammount of audience participation ... what every performer would want ....even a foreigner would get that ...not the first time around but the next , and the next ..... Dont forget , flamenco is about life , having a good time , a tragedy , people , a whole culture ......Ricardo dont ignore that .... I play " Me casé con un enano" in a certain way cos I know its funny , and the people know this too , , . but later in the same Sevillanas ,is ,,, No me mandas cartas etc ....., is a bit more tragic ... so how you gonna play it ??? both just striaght ...huh ?? Finally ....' Is this .... "" poetry and music go hand in hand, but are totally separate from each other. """ Maybe, just maybe . somebody wrote the words first ....and they were good ,,, so some one else , or even the same person put wrote a melody and formed a song around them ....""""poetry and music go hand in hand, but are totally separate from each other>>>> is the worst and most unfeeling sentence I have heard this year ....and its already August ....... [:@][:@][:-][:-][:-][:@][:@]
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