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constructordeguitarras -> Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 22:53:52)

I got this bending iron over Ebay from China because it seems like the temperature is controllable and the replacement heating elements for it are inexpensive. It is supposed to be wired for 250 V. It came with a 2-prong plug that could only be for 115 V in the USA, where as far as I know all 250 V plugs have at least three prongs, 2 hot wires and a ground wire. What could the wires on this be?





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gitarque -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:08:52)

The two prong plug configuration used in the USA is also used in other countries that use 220V-250V.

I would simply just plug it in and if it does not get hot enough, then it is wired for a much higher voltage and you will need a 220V-250V source or a transformer.



constructordeguitarras -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:26:50)

I plugged it into a 115 V outlet and lights on it lit up but no heating occurred. It is not possible to plug it into a 250 V receptacle with this plug, as the 250 V receptacle has one of the blades going the other way. I could change the plug if I knew what the wires are supposed to be--hot or ground. Perhaps two hot wires go to one of the wires in the bending iron and the ground to the other? I don't want to black out my whole neighborhood.... Thanks.



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:27:24)

This is a 250volt plug , it has a live and a neutral and no earth ,( cos it is double insulated .)

A three pin plug has live , neutral and earth ,
if you have 220v to 250volt supply where you are then you can just cut the plug off get another that fits your wall and put in on ......
or ...
you can get an adaptor that this plugs into , and the adaptor itself plugs into the wall ........
Attention any plug or adaptor that you get must be rated for at least 10 amps as this i what is marked on it .



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:28:53)

no no , do not put it into 115v that is not powerful enough to run it .......it will not heat , but you may still blow a fuse....



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:31:19)

I do not know what supply you have but it must be between 220 and 250 volts if it is you are OK .

If it is not you will need a tranformer.......



Jeff Highland -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:31:42)

The standard here is 240 or thereabouts but it is still single phase and our plugs are wired hot, neutral and ground.
Some appliances which are not considered to require grounding only use a 2 prong plug and have no ground lug.
Your 250 volt in the USA is a three phase supply ours is 415
A bending iron will only be single phase

I suspect you have a european spec unit.
I agree, try it and see if it gets hot enough, if not get a 110 v element



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:35:27)

Oh sorry I seee you in USA , then you do not have 220/ 240 in your house , you will need a transformer to up you 115 to 230( ratio 2:1) and use that , and change the plug to fit ,
and have at least 10 amps output available .... this means on the house side it will use 20 amps , more or less...



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:38:59)

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I agree, try it and see if it gets hot enough,

sorry Jeff.....
No DO NOT try it , it is clearly marked for 220 volts ... you will damage some internal parts as I also see it is digital , the display and if you half the voltage or reduce it you will also inadvertantly double the current ...(Amps)



constructordeguitarras -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:46:06)

Thanks, but I installed two 250-V outlets in my shop that work fine with my 250-V dust collector and bandsaw, and I assure you they have two hot wires and one ground (earth if you like). Each hot wire is only 110 to 115 V. It could be that I need to connect both hot wires to one of the leads on the iron. I know that it needs the ground connected somewhere to work. (A "grounding" wire is slightly different from a ground wire and is to prevent shocks, and I can deal with that separately.) Single phase and three phase are another thing altogether. Heavy industries use three phase power because it gives more constant torque to motors. Household current is one-phase.



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:52:45)

Forget about ground or earth as you cable does not have one ,....
it only has one live , which should be 230 volts and also the other wire would be the neutral , which is the return path ,

If you have a 250 volt outlet that works with other 250volt appliances that you have then it will also work with this , except you must have a compatible plug ,

I think perhaps there is some confusion of your terminologly .



KMMI77 -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:56:50)

would one of these work?

http://www.world-import.com/plug-chart.htm



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 17 2012 23:59:39)

yes that is the kind of adaptor I mentioned earlier ,...
Except I do not know what his 250v socket looks like , and also some of these have fuses in them , if so it must be rated for 10 amps at least ,
I just think it would be easier to change the plug.



Jeff Highland -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 1:17:42)

Your two hot wires on your 250v are out of phase with each other which is how they achieve the 250 or so volts. each of the leads is only 115v from ground
So don't put the hot leads together that will make a short.
You may be ok just to plug it in if you have 250 between the two terminals, but what do I know, i'm not an electrician
As far as I know plugging a 240 volt appliance into 110 will lead to reduced current.
It's the other way around with USA appliances and 240v that causes problems.



constructordeguitarras -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 1:45:09)

Thanks, guys. The problem is not the plug, because I can get a plug that will fit my outlets. It is how to wire the plug.

I heard from a knowledgeable source that the power supply I have IS two phase, because it is made up of two sources of half the voltage. And that if neither lead from the iron is grounded to the body of the iron, then I can attach both leads from the iron to the two hot wires of the outlet, respectively, and it will work. (Exactly what you said, Jeff.) Only, I may get electrocuted if I touch both an exposed conducting section of the iron and a grounded conductor. So maybe I should make out my will before trying it.



Jeff Highland -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 2:16:49)

If it is supplied with an ungrounded plug, it SHOULD be totally insulated



keith -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 2:18:38)

i would go on the safe side and run it through a 20 amp breaker. just because the plug says 10A (amp) if the wattage is high then you need to pull out your banjo and recall West Virginia (WVA) as in watts = volts x amps. you can solve for A (amp) if you know the wattage and volts. a lot of appliances that have heating elements that run off 220 volts use a 20 amp breaker



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 9:58:44)

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then I can attach both leads from the iron to the two hot wires of the outlet, respectively, and it will work.

This is right and it is what you have ...2 x 110v supplies , out of phase with each other , because of the rotating or phase angle they both pass through a cycle from 110v to 0v but not at the same time , therefore if you measured the difference between them your meter would read 220v.
None of the 2 leads in your apparatus are connected to an earth or any part of the frame , you would just change the plug and wire the two leads in to the respective pins and ignore the 3rd one ( ground ) .then plug it into 220v socket
It will still draw a max of 10Amps regardless and the power will be 2500watts...

Do not ever join the two wires together , unless you need a firework display .......



constructordeguitarras -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 22:52:16)

I think you're right, Jeff--and my ohm meter agrees. So I got a plug compatible with my 250V 20A receptacle, wired the two hot wires to the two leads on the iron, separately, and it seems to be working, and I seem to still be alive, though I haven't heated it all the way up and bent sides with it yet.

Thanks everyone; you're a great community, taking the trouble to help.



Jeff Highland -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 18 2012 23:12:06)

Glad you're still with us.



constructordeguitarras -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 19 2012 4:16:36)

Thanks to you Kiko for trying so hard to get me to understand. You must be right, it is double insulated and that's why there's no ground. I am surprised that the two 110V lines that make up my 220 (or 250) V line are out of phase because they come from the same house service. The mysteries of electrical engineering. Anyway, it's working now.



El Kiko -> RE: Please help with Chinese bending iron (Aug. 19 2012 10:15:06)

I suppose I should have mentioned before I'm an electrical engineer and now I am designing and building machines for my company , mainly industrial background ,...

So if you need a fuse changing , I have a degree in that .....[:D]

Anyway , finally its working .....Yeeeah !! ....now go and bend something in chinese !!!!



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