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TANúñez -> Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 3 2003 15:03:08)

Can anyone tell me what the difference between Juan Martin's book "El Arte Flamenco de la Guitarra" and his 3 video series "La Guitarra Flamenca" are?

Are the videos the same as the book but in video form or is the material contained in the two different?



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 3 2003 15:28:14)

Tom, you can't tell how bad Juan Martin is until you watch the video.

DOH!

Just joking, Juan Martin is a great educator, seems to be a humble and kind soul. The book, if memory serves, is a "method." It talks about introductory technique, such as how to sit, hold your guitar, play picado, etc., and then goes into palos (or TOQUES, more properly). The video series goes through a bunch of basic pieces and he shows you how to play them, going over techniques along the way.



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Patrick -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 3 2003 16:28:35)

Tom,

You have the basics. Get the three set video. They have a bunch of good stuff.

Pat



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 3 2003 17:21:01)

I used to play the granaianas from the video... when I was in Sevilla, I heard one of the granainas licks... it was a recording of Don Antonio Chacon and Ramon Montoya, circa 1920. Now I think it's good to know this stuff, absolutely... but well, it's quite out of date. I suppose it's a stage you need to go through, like the Beatles or Billy Joel.



nhills -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 3 2003 23:09:01)

I guess I've chosen to stay retarded.



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Miguel de Maria -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 4 2003 15:22:32)

Well, when I was at a workshop in Sevilla this summer, you can imagine there were some modern falsetas flying around, but I have to tell you--when I played a simple opening of solea, with the old fmaj7 and the hammers on the d string--the teachers always perked up and said OLE! The oldest lick of all!



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nhills -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 4 2003 23:06:34)

Hi Andy!
I haven't heard "Perico del Luna por tientos". Any idea where I can find it?

Cheers,
Norman



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 5 2003 0:12:42)

Andy, I'm with you, mean. Different is NOT always better. And NEW, also, is not a synonym for better. Heck, maybe the opposite. The stuff Juan Martin plays is classic, it's just that I think a beginner might be better served with some more modern stuff. If he wants to go back and learn the foundational licks of Ramon Montoya, that's commendable. Anyways, this is of course just one approach. I have a CD in my car, with Pepe Romero playing, and I don't know the name of the singer, but it's really old timey and I have to say I get much more worked up trying to sing along to that Sevillanas than I do to most anything by the "new breed" of picado-meisters!



Jon Boyes -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 5 2003 13:15:21)

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Andy, I'm with you, mean. Different is NOT always better. And NEW, also, is not a synonym for better. Heck, maybe the opposite. The stuff Juan Martin plays is classic, it's just that I think a beginner might be better served with some more modern stuff.


Ah, but is there any decent beginner's tuition material around that *is* modern?

I think Juan's great strength has always been writing good tuition material - he'll introduce a technique and Bam! straightaway you have a piece of music to practice it in context, which is so much more rewarding then just repeating technique exercises.

With his El Arte book, right from the start the beginner is building a basic repertoire of toques. OK the material may be old hat, but its a solid foundation. I can't see how it would be possible to do this with contemporary flamenco due to the added complexities of syncopation, complex harmony, liberties with compas, etc, etc.

Most of the contemporary flamenco material I come across is forv advanced players - the Encuentro vids, Fauchers publications, transcriptions of Tomatito, PDL, Moraito etc.

Is there really any contemporary flamenco material on the market that's more accessible, to either beginners or even intermediate players?



TANúñez -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 5 2003 15:59:52)

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I think a beginner might be better served with some more modern stuff


I have to disagree with you here Michael. I think it's important for a beginner to learn the traditional stuff before he even considers to learn the more modern. If you can't play the traditional stuff you won't be able to really understand the modern. You have to know where the modern came from.

Just my 2.



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nhills -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 6 2003 12:38:13)

ANdy:
Thanks much. Will be looking for it.
Norman



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Juan Martin's teaching material (Sep. 6 2003 16:35:20)

Andy, I have a confession to make... I used to hate Sabicas. This is, well, it's very hard to say,because I think it shows that I am so so young in this world of flamenco guitar. But Sabicas used to sound to me, like a classical player who added "spanish" elements to his playing. But the other day I put on his CD and was Blown away. I realized, yes, this was the man, someone with a technique out of this world, as good as Paco probably. I finally get it!



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