NormanKliman -> RE: siguiriya of Pastora (Jul. 25 2012 8:29:51)
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Thanks for the feedback, Ricardo! quote:
...it doesn't strike me at all as strange or "eerie". It's been transplanted into lots of cantes, so nothing surprising about it if you compare with modern recordings and other styles. A few days ago, a friend pointed out a bulería por soleá recorded by Barullo (Manuel Moneo's son). I haven't got the recording but I think it's the first track from his CD with Moraíto "Plazuela." The first two cantes start like bulería larga but drop down to that sharped second degree in the cambio. quote:
Right from tona/martinete/carcelera.... Yes, I get that impression, too. But carcelera is a different cante. Some used to say that carcelera was the same cante when singing about prison (cárcel=prison), but the Solers say that it's actually from ancient Andalusian folklore and there are very few recordings, one being by Tenazas de Morón. The melody is major key throughout. A closer match might be the siguiriya of Frasco El Colorao, but it also sounds like it comes from tonás/martinetes. Another connection might be in some of those siguiriyas cabales that are part major and part Phrygian. All of these styles appear to be really old. Also, the sharped second degree shows up in some versions of styles 2 and 3 of Curro Durse (also associated with Frasco El Colorao, like Manuel Molina 1). Less significant, though, IMO, because of the VII/III implication (G/C chords por medio, with B natural in the G chord) and B natural being just a hairsbreadth down from C. Interestingly, there are old references to Frasco El Colorao, Manuel Molina and Curro Durse being friends. quote:
There is an other interesting one Potito does really well (I will try to find it EDIT: on barrio alto track 5 at 1:29 the word "fatiga") where he does like a bluesy bend between a C# and a C, very deliberate micro tonal thing. Thanks for the reference, but now it's my turn to be unimpressed.[:)] Typical mixed bag of those derivative styles (deriving from Viejo de La Isla). The bluesy bend you mention is okay but commonplace to my ears. If you haven't heard it already, check out the microtonal descent in Pastora's version of the siguiriya of El Marrurro (http://www.canteytoque.es/sigclas.htm#marrurro). Similar descent in El Gloria's version, but Pastora flattens one of the words by a quarter tone. quote:
Also in his palo seco solea the last letra he tosses out that B natural. I always think of these as just spontaneous personal embellishments the guitar can TRY to grab or just play through....but perhaps they are not improvised but practiced and refined? Yes, I agree, especially when it's just a passing detail that goes by in a flash, as sung by Potito. In other styles, though, it seems rehearsed/refined as you say and worth changing the accompaniment IMO, if there's enough time and space.
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