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Miguel de Maria -> Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 0:43:04)

I've been listening to Paco Pena a lot, whereas before I would listen to Paco de Lucia all the time. I must say that I am having a lot more fun with Pena. He just doesn't do anything ridiculous, that is just beyond the realm of a normal, skilled human, whereas Paco does that every song. As HEnrik said, every piece there's that ONE part that's _impossible_ to play. It's probably just a stage, but it's nice to hear music by mortals too!



Skai -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 1:57:26)

I feel that you can't compare both even though they're both flamenco guitarists in their own right. Pena is on the extreme end of tradition, while PdL is on the extreme end of creativity. Both have technical abilities that are beyond my reach in the near future so I deeply respect both of them. While PdL gives you ideas of modern flamenco creativity, Pena is excellent learning material and creative in the traditional way too. Listening intensively to both is what I do. [;)]

Cheston



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Miguel de Maria -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 16:03:48)

Reminds me of some stuff from this book, not sure I agree with it or not...

"All the great musicians of past and present have this much in common: thye displayed their gifts early in childhood. It was said of Handel that he could sing before he could talk and one thinks immediaely of Mozart, classic example of the 'Wunderkind.'...The most important point about infant prodigies is that their talent manifests itself spontaneously, untaught and unlearned. In fact, it is often the discovery of talent in the child which has prompted his parents into arranging for it to be trained, not the reverse...Talent may be briefly defined as the ability to perform without training, the amount of talent displayed being in inverse proportion to the amount of training required....the integration of thought and action which the virtuoso takes for granted as part of his equipment is seldom achieved by lesser talents, even after long years of study and practice...Furthermore the equality of execution displayed in the finished product by the slow learner is not likely to surpass that of his quicker colleague...etc."
The Pianist's Talent, Harold Taylor



Mark2 -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 16:14:10)

Have to disagree about tomatito-I think he is a virtuoso-he only lacks the monster picado, but he more than makes up for it with rythmic devices. I think his compas is as good as it gets, which makes for a very flamenco way of expressing his greatness.



Doitsujin -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 17:04:30)

Tomatito can play a very fast and long picado, too. I saw him at the bienal some years ago. He did a triol-picado over 2 whole compases at the end of his Bulerias. I dont know why he dont do this very often, but he can. And his thumb is fast..damn. Hes definetely a big virtuoso. And very innovative, maybe more than Paco de lucia. And nobody plays so hard rytmical bulerias as him. Not moraito is the king of bulerias. Tomatito is.



ToddK -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 18:57:14)

Tomatito is certainly a virtuoso.

His sense of rhythm is just rediculous. Just as complex and
beautiful as anything Paco has done, imho.

I mean, just listen to this.

http://michaelk101.com/todd/toddmp3/tomatitobulerias.mp3



Ron.M -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 20 2005 19:50:56)

Ole...Fantastic!!
All these top guys are geniuses in their own way.
There is no "best" IMO.

cheers

Ron



Chansey -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 21 2005 5:17:02)

If you ask me, I will say that Tomatito's greatest strengths lies in his beautiful falsetas. They are rather melodious, and actually have that gypsy sound to them. Admittedly, his picados and tremolo seem just a tad bit uneven to me, but his compas and falsetas are very well done. I mean there are players with greater technical ability and more sophisticated pieces, but Tomatito just brings me back to simple catchy falsetas and a hard driving compas.

PS: And he's indeed the king of bulerias. I realised that after checking my folder to realise most of the bulerias in it is by him [:D]



Phil -> RE: Paco vs. Paco (Aug. 21 2005 7:04:14)

quote:

I saw him at the bienal some years ago. He did a triol-picado over 2 whole compases at the end of his Bulerias. I dont know why he dont do this very often, but he can.


That's definitely a crowd pleaser during a live performance, but I think his sense of good taste keeps him from doing it on his studio recordings. The point is he's capable of doing it, and he knows when it's appropriate to be flashy and when it's not. His accompaniment of Camaron on the Live in Paris CD is a study in minimalism. He doesn't do anything flashy, and what an incredible sense of compas he has. Listen to the Alegrias as an example. It sounds simple until you try it.

Phil



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