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Kalo -> Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 1:08:29)

Hi All,

What is the difference between the Two?

What compas track is good to use when practicing it???

Thanks,

Kalo




RTC -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 3:13:24)

I think Dr.Compass has Tientos/Tarantos in 4's




rombsix -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 3:28:43)

My understanding is that taranta is free / libre (no compas), whereas tarantos is like tangos/tientos but in F# phrygian (i.e. taranta key).




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 4:28:13)

quote:

My understanding is that taranta is free / libre (no compas), whereas tarantos is like tangos/tientos but in F#m (i.e. taranta key).


Yes (except that you don‘t usually get the tripletty feel in tarantos that you get in tientos). And it’s F# Phrygian, not minor.




Kalo -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 4:32:44)

quote:

My understanding is that taranta is free / libre (no compas), whereas tarantos is like tangos/tientos but in F#m (i.e. taranta key).


Okay, makes sense! Thanks Ramzi!

quote:

I think Dr.Compass has Tientos/Tarantos in 4's


Thanks RTC, I wish Dr. Compas was available for PC [:(]

Kalo




rombsix -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 11:19:22)

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And it’s F# Phrygian, not minor.


Minor? Who said anything about minor? [:D][8D]




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 14:41:08)

Ahem! Editing is cheating. [8D]




Ricardo -> RE: Tarantos and Trananta (Jun. 18 2012 17:13:45)

they have, like most other palos, different meanings depending on context.

Cante-they both different cantes, meaning same form and family type but slightly different melodies and variations inside the general differences. A characteristic example of Taranto melody is that at the end of it, most singers sing an E# (half step below tonic) before the final note. Tarantas melodies don't have that, instead come down the scale to rest on tonic never below it. That is a generalization and small example. It takes lots of listening to begin to discern all the various details that distinguish all the cante de la mina family. Guitarist always play this for cante libre, or if there is compas a loose rhythm in 2/4 and only for Taranto, all the other cantes in the family are done free. Most of the time Taranto is interpreted free too.

Baile- at some point dancers started dancing "Taranto", it is similar feel to Tiento/tango rhythmically and the cante is forced to fit that slow 2/4 beat and structure. An essentially free cante ends up getting forced into that structure in numerous ways...I have yet to accompany two singers that do it EXACTLY the same rhythmically. Most oftent he melody of Taranto is done, but also I have heard taranta, minera, fandango minero, levantica, and cartageneras all forced into compas the same way or mixed in various ways to accomodate the choreography. As the dance builds, escobillas are accompanied same as tientos/tangos...typically tangos proper are sung later, even rumba to final, but it really depends on what the dancer wants. Despite all these variations the overall name used to describe the performance of the dance as a whole is simply "taranto".

Guitar- to keep it simple, the guitar plays in key of F# (unless some modern tuning is used to evoke the same "aire" this key has) and plays totally free or loose 3/4 type melodies for "Taranta" and if any compas of 2/4 or 4/4 is used, the moniker of "taranto" is used. Probably this started happening to solo guitar pieces AFTER the dancers starting dancing taranto.... the reason for the distinction to be used for a guitar solo should be obvious. Don't be surprised to find some totally free "taranto" guitar solos out there of course. It's not suposed to be THAT big of a deal.

Minera- this is a different cante melody in the family of cante de la mina, but when it comes to guitar solo, it refers again to free or loose melodies borrowing phrasing both in 3/4 or 2/4 at will, but in key of G# to differ from Taranta/taranto. To add confusion, ANY cante de la mina can be accompanied in G# OR F#...but when there is singing the cante melody is supposed to take over when naming it. In other words don't be surprised to find Taranto/taranta singing accompanied in key of G# as well...with or with out some rhythm need not make much difference.

To put it all into play in a single example.....Carmen Amaya's Queen of the gypsies recorded in the late 50s, she dances in 2/4, and sings a letra of Taranto, Sabicas plays in key of G# (por minera)....and the entire piece gets mislabled as "Rondeña".

Finally, they key of Granaina (B phrygian) can and has been used to accompany some cante de levante when the singer's range is very high pitched. I have heard taranto, taranta, cartegeneras all accompanied in those keys. Again, if it's a guitar solo it will simply be called "granaina". So for there has not been anything more then experiments that use granaina for baile...usually for only free interpretations or relating to Malagueñas. THe connective term for all these forms , malagueñas, granainas, cantes de la mina etc is "levante".




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