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silddx -> WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 17:39:11)

GuitarVlog -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 18:24:08)
That's Charles. He used to teach at a guitar shop in the next town. IMHO, he's a very good guitarist and he's dedicated to continuously exploring new styles and improving his abilities under well-qualified instructors; but he's not really a flamenco guitarist. His techniques and music are more along the lines of rumba flamenca and noveau flamenco.

Ron.M -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 18:34:19)
This is his all time most entertaining movie IMO... The adulation... The love from the audience... The humble indifference of the man... Too much.. cheers, Ron

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 18:41:07)
quote: This is his all time most entertaining movie IMO... The adulation... The love from the audience... The humble indifference of the man... Too much.. cheers, Ron Ouch! Apparently he has a PhD in music education.

Ron.M -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 18:51:16)
I think StSanders should get a PhD... cheers, Ron

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:01:44)
quote: I think StSanders should get a PhD... cheers, Ron lol!

Escribano -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:03:22)
Please observe the forum rules, thank you. Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

El_Tortuga -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:03:27)
Wow... that guy is... umm... I'm speechless. Re: StSanders, my personal faves are: "The Passing Stones", "Paco Shreds" and the Marilyn Manson Christmas video LMAO [:D]

Escribano -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:06:13)
None of this either... thanks again Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Sr. Martins -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:19:02)
No women allowed?

El_Tortuga -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:20:35)
Great moment from Wayne's World. [;)]

Escribano -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 19:25:15)
quote: No women allowed? No tourists in 'flamenco' fancy dress [8\|]

Ron.M -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 7 2012 20:20:23)
quote: None of this either... thanks again Or this por favor... Sedlak's Spanish twin cheers, Ron Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px

Sr. Martins -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 8 2012 10:58:12)
I remember that I stumbled on a Sedlak's youtube video lesson when I was beggining my flamenco musical journey and I thought "dunno why but this ain't the real deal" [:D]

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 8 2012 11:47:04)
quote: I remember that I stumbled on a Sedlak's youtube video lesson when I was beggining my flamenco musical journey and I thought "dunno why but this ain't the real deal" I'm more or less in that position now, it sounded like nothing to me. I think he's doing Flamenco a great disservice by pedelling his 'Flamenco Made Easy' video, especially when it seems it's going to be full of very poorly executed tequniques with no flamenco form whatsoever. Here's another laughable 'flamenco' piece ..

chester -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 8 2012 17:14:21)
Laughable? That sounded pretty good. Not puro, but the man was obviously inspired by that sound. What's wrong with that? I'll take a chance and say that it's better than anything that you can play. More practicing, less hating.

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 9 2012 14:48:37)
quote: Laughable? That sounded pretty good. Not puro, but the man was obviously inspired by that sound. What's wrong with that? I'll take a chance and say that it's better than anything that you can play. More practicing, less hating. Well he admits in an interview it's not flamenco, so why pitch it as such on youtube? He can clearly play, and says he's happy being the bastard child of flamenco and classical. The piece is ok, but the fake rock star posturing, and what I perceive to be hubris, annoyed me for some reason. Maybe I am too harsh, you clearly think so. I reiterate, I become unhappy at something that is not flamenco being pitched as flamenco. That's all. I understand now that this may only be on youtube. As for my own skills, I have said I'm a beginner at flamenco, but I can play other styles. I don't hate, and I practice as time allows. I love flamenco, but never in my life will I ever be able to say I can play flamenco, however adept I become at the compas, the techniques, and whatever the size of repertoire I develop, my flamenco soul and spirit will never be the truth, just a small candle in the face of the blinding light of the real thing. Thanks.

ToddK -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 9 2012 18:19:58)
quote: That sounded pretty good. Not puro, but the man was obviously inspired by that sound. What's wrong with that? Wow, where have you been? Shunning the Fakemenco's is what we do here at Foro. hahahaha quote: I'll take a chance and say that it's better than anything that you can play. Thats completely rediculous. His skill level has nothing to do with anything. So until i become a better director than George Lucas, i'm not allowed to say Star Wars sucked? Thats idiotic. More practicing, less idiocy.

RTC -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 9 2012 22:13:27)
I am not a member of the Flamenco Police, I enjoyed his playing, but recognize it as what it is "Spanish sounding".

chester -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 10 2012 1:47:50)
quote: ORIGINAL: ToddK So until i become a better director than George Lucas, i'm not allowed to say Star Wars sucked? Thats idiotic. If you're an aspiring director you're better off trying to figure out what was good about Star Wars rather than dismissing it altogether. quote: More practicing, less idiocy. Wow, that's clever. I know where you haven't been -- reading. silddx - i understand your annoyance at what you thought was hubris (although I didn't see any 'rock star posturing' in that video), but aren't you now guilty of it as well? Why so sensitive about flamenco? Did you also get upset when Bon Jovi was considered a metal band?

Sean -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 10 2012 4:40:47)
quote: The adulation... The love from the audience... The humble indifference of the man... Too much.. No Ron I think its the free jelly donuts they were promised, either that or the big girls actually dig the hair Someone should tell the second guy pretentious is not a palo

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 10 2012 11:22:52)
Well you seem to want a philosophical 'discussion'. Your remark to ToddK is absurd. Are you really implying one cannot criticise one's government unless one is capable of doing better, can't moan about the travails of using Microsoft Windows unless one is capable of designing and building a better operating system? You also misunderstood what ToddK wrote, so maybe reading more carefully should be on YOUR agenda, not Todd's. As for your question regarding what you perceive as my 'sensitivity', if you see someone being sold a teapot by someone telling them it's a kettle, do you not feel that is wrong? I have great respect for musical tradition, I bridle at those who attempt to pass off something as something with greater value in order to gain a pecuniary or reputational advantage through others' lack of knowledge or awareness. I think that is wrong, and in the case of the videos in this thread, a disservice to a great musical tradition that needs to be preserved and built upon for the benefit of the musicians, singers, dancers, and palmeros who preserve that tradition. Acceptance of non-flamenco guitarists who proclaim their wares as flamenco, is marginalising the the essence of flamenco and those who practice it. quote: quote: ORIGINAL: ToddK So until i become a better director than George Lucas, i'm not allowed to say Star Wars sucked? Thats idiotic. If you're an aspiring director you're better off trying to figure out what was good about Star Wars rather than dismissing it altogether. quote: More practicing, less idiocy. Wow, that's clever. I know where you haven't been -- reading. silddx - i understand your annoyance at what you thought was hubris (although I didn't see any 'rock star posturing' in that video), but aren't you now guilty of it as well? Why so sensitive about flamenco? Did you also get upset when Bon Jovi was considered a metal band?

chester -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 4:08:06)
The last thing I want is a philosophical discussion with you my friend. Your post is essentially a reiteration of toddk's post with more redundancies and more bad examples. I've already said my piece regarding these points. You might want to clear your head a bit, re-read, and try to understand my previous post. What I'm trying to do here is help you. You're suffering from n00b syndrome. You've recently discovered that all the watered down crap that you previously thought was flamenco isn't 'flamenco puro', and you're now on a little youtube crusade pointing out how cheesy spanish sounding crap is being billed as flamenco. It's ok. Many of us here have been there. It reminds me of when I started playing music and the term 'musician' was some noble thing that I aspired to be. I would get upset when some three-chord-strumming bastard would call himself a musician while I was shedding away and wouldn't dare consider myself one of the 'special few'. In the end it's all bs. It doesn't matter how good you are or what style of music you're playing. If you've given your listener pleasure - you've done your job. If the seven circlejerkers on the foro don't like what you're doing coz you're not gitano enough - big effin deal. No one is selling you anything on youtube. If I play Mary Had a Little Lamb and title it Moron style bulerias it's my right. You don't have to watch it. Your hating hurts no one but yourself. I tried to give you another perspective, but you chose to retain your little paradigm. That's fine, you can keep living in your little world - I won't say another word.

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 11:35:45)
Blimey, you make a lot of assumptions don't you.

Sr. Martins -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 11:45:22)
From what I know, flamenco originally had no guitar.. So, what are we all doing here? Playing fakemenco to the eyes of the puritans? For some reason we label genres and sub-genres but hating a genre because you consider it a menace to your genre is just plain stupid in my opinion.

silddx -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 17:13:39)
Fair enough. I suppose we'll agree to differ then.

Ron.M -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 17:41:11)
quote: From what I know, flamenco originally had no guitar.. And no baile either. And before that no cante. Only a gitano blacksmith in Andalucia, beating out a horseshoe on an anvil. One day, (due to having beer in the workplace), he misjudged his blow with the hammer and struck himself in the goolagongs. The primal scream could be heard all around the pueblo. People stopped everywhere to listen and somehow knew it was good. "Qué Arte!!" they cried in unison. And the rest is history my friends... cheers, Ron

ToddK -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 18:04:56)
quote: The last thing I want is a philosophical discussion with you my friend. Your post is essentially a reiteration of toddk's post with more redundancies and more bad examples. I've already said my piece regarding these points. You might want to clear your head a bit, re-read, and try to understand my previous post. What I'm trying to do here is help you. You're suffering from n00b syndrome. You've recently discovered that all the watered down crap that you previously thought was flamenco isn't 'flamenco puro', and you're now on a little youtube crusade pointing out how cheesy spanish sounding crap is being billed as flamenco. It's ok. Many of us here have been there. It reminds me of when I started playing music and the term 'musician' was some noble thing that I aspired to be. I would get upset when some three-chord-strumming bastard would call himself a musician while I was shedding away and wouldn't dare consider myself one of the 'special few'. In the end it's all bs. It doesn't matter how good you are or what style of music you're playing. If you've given your listener pleasure - you've done your job. If the seven circlejerkers on the foro don't like what you're doing coz you're not gitano enough - big effin deal. No one is selling you anything on youtube. If I play Mary Had a Little Lamb and title it Moron style bulerias it's my right. You don't have to watch it. Your hating hurts no one but yourself. I tried to give you another perspective, but you chose to retain your little paradigm. That's fine, you can keep living in your little world - I won't say another word. Oh wow! I get it now! I thought you were being a dick before, but now i realize, you're just not very bright. Sorry about that. TK

Munin -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 19:11:30)
Is this crap really necessary? And no, I don't mean Mr. Sedlak...

XXX -> RE: WTF is this geezer?! (Jun. 11 2012 19:43:51)
this is what you get when you post fakemenco crap on the forum.

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