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TANúñez -> Al golpe? (May 8 2012 13:34:52)

What exactly does "Al golpe" mean? more emphasis on the accents???

There is a Buleria in Niño Josele's self title CD that I really dig called Estripe(Buleria al golpe).



Ricardo -> RE: Al golpe? (May 8 2012 13:55:03)

Golpe is when we tap guitar or the dancer stomps foot so...in flamenco it refers to percussion. "palo seco" is an other term that refers to music that is percussion only, no guitar. Dancers tell guitarists "a tapao" meaning to do a muted strum which is also called by GUITARISTS "apagado" refering to the technique of doing that.

So the cante refers to doing cante with no guitar, por buleria but slow "Buleria al golpe"....some also refer to this as "solea al golpe". If the guitar is used to accompany the cante it is called "Buleria por Solea" although, in modern times we often call it "Solea por buleria"...but for sure the letras used are mainly "Buleria corta" and "Buleria Larga" as per Mairena's definitions.

So to keep it clear, Buleria al golpe=buleria por solea but with no guitar, as palo seco.

Now I take a brief moment to agree and sound like Estela, the term is also used by foreign guitar players mainly to describe the old school style of buleria strumming with the up tap tap, up tap tap, etc, type feel a la Sabicas, Diego del Gastor ,etc . So in that sense it is just a guitar thing. But if josele is using it too, then I guess just like "solea por buleria" caught on as other terms described above, it is general modern way to describe old school buleria soniquete. I need to hear the track to understand why he labels it that way, but hopefully it applies as ONE of the above. [:D][:D]

EDIT...just listened to his track....he and palmeros are simply doing buleria as normal guitar solo...dancer footwork too normal. The "al golpe" refers to the percussion of the cajon which marks only in 3, but affects the overall sound. But it's not real important to have labeled it that way IMO, "buleria" is fine. Similarily Guadiana is from Extremadura and bulerias extremeños is often called "jaleos". So I would not have had a problem if they called this Jaleo either, its just kind of fast. (On Almoraima Paco has two buleria, but labels one "jaleo" and it is not that big a deal to have been so definitive that they are different IMO, and indeed live he mixes the same falsetas together).


Ricardo



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Al golpe? (May 8 2012 15:47:22)

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the term is also used by foreign guitar players mainly to describe the old school style of buleria strumming


Not just foreign guitar players: I have bulerías al golpe by:

Chano Lobato & Paco del Gastor
José Ramos “Cachitas”
Juan Moneo “El Torta”
Luis Maravilla
Manuel de Paula & La Familia Fernández
Pedro Soler
Roman El Granaíno
Rosalia de Triana & Juan Moreno



TANúñez -> RE: Al golpe? (May 8 2012 15:56:12)

Thank you for that very informative reply Ricardo. I just learned a lot more than I new before I made this post. I know what golpe means but wasn't sure why it was called "al golpe". Was thinking maybe there were more golpe's from the guitarist or golpe's on certain beats.

Then when you said "So the cante refers to doing cante with no guitar, por buleria but slow "Buleria al golpe", ...I remember there is a brief moment where the singer is singing with no guitar, this made a little more sense after you explained it.



Ramon Amira -> RE: Al golpe? (May 8 2012 18:54:29)

I have several recordings of solo guitar "Bulerias al Golpe." In these recordings it mostly just means exactly what the name would imply – Bulerias with a lot of golpe, generally tap – tap – stroke - tap – tap - stroke. The best one I have is by Roman el Granaino.

Ramon



mezzo -> RE: Al golpe? (May 9 2012 7:33:52)

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Then when you said "So the cante refers to doing cante with no guitar, por buleria but slow "Buleria al golpe", ...

Once i asked in a thread (search for "solea al golpe") if this appelation refers always to an acapella tune. The answer i get from Norman (even if he not clearly answered by yes or no) was that the term golpe refers to a speed up variation. Not to a voice only oriented tune.
But maybe i misunderstood his reply coz it was not a simple yes or no answer.



Pingaloka -> RE: Al golpe? (May 9 2012 14:43:06)

For my understunding, Bulería al golpe is to play a bulería doing the 3 beat tap, that is: pu-pa-pa, pu-pa-pa, pu-pa-pa. Old school bulería.



Ramon Amira -> RE: Al golpe? (May 10 2012 2:24:52)

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For my understunding, Bulería al golpe is to play a bulería doing the 3 beat tap, that is: pu-pa-pa, pu-pa-pa, pu-pa-pa. Old school bulería.


Actually - using your terms - it would not be "pu-pa-pa." It would be "pu-pu-pa." As I said above, it goes tap - tap - stroke, tap - tap - stroke. Most often the golpe is on 1 and 2, 4 and 5. The stroke gives the traditional accent on 3 and 6.

Ramon



Dave K -> RE: Al golpe? (May 10 2012 4:26:37)

I believe payohumberto explains 'bulerias al golpe' very well here;
Cheers, Dave



Pingaloka -> RE: Al golpe? (May 10 2012 7:17:43)

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Actually - using your terms - it would not be "pu-pa-pa." It would be "pu-pu-pa." As I said above, it goes tap - tap - stroke, tap - tap - stroke. Most often the golpe is on 1 and 2, 4 and 5. The stroke gives the traditional accent on 3 and 6.


Yes, absoluty right, I didn't realize I started counting on the 12.



mezzo -> RE: Al golpe? (May 10 2012 10:50:07)

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I believe payohumberto explains 'bulerias al golpe' very well here;

Every one seems to have a clear definition of what a buleria al golpe is. There' re around 4 differents in this topic [:D]

I enjoyed all these Payo's vids. He has a lot.
So for him (if I understand correctly), buleria al golpe is equivalent to PdL's way of foot tapping por buleria. The only moment where he pronunced "buleria al golpe" in the vid is when he ended the boot tap demonstration on the guitar.

Btw, i'm not very convinced by his tables and explanations about the 3 differents manner to mark the compas. It seems to me that he mixes foot tapping while playing guitar with clap while doing palmas.



mezzo -> RE: Al golpe? (May 15 2012 7:45:01)

quote:

I believe payohumberto explains 'bulerias al golpe' very well here;


Even better in this one




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