few questions on this 1)i'm seeing correctly? its all the strings 1 step down to D standard? 2)what is that technique he's using in 3:53? it looks like inverted rasgeado 3)zapetado is 4/4 right?
El Kiko -> RE: sabicas zapetado (Apr. 14 2012 12:31:10)
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3)zapetado is 4/4 right?
Zapateado is in 6/8 .....like a very fast -1-2-3..1-2-3-
He just has a low D thats all I think... at 3.53 a rasgueado just using the fingers and no thumb , not common nowadays ...remeber its SAbicas ,,,he didnt have a reputation for no reason ...
yeah watching it now i see it's drop D tuning i don't fill the 6/8 though , it feels like a fast 2/4 , just with triplets :( why is he doing it that way? to get that softer sound?
El Kiko -> RE: sabicas zapetado (Apr. 14 2012 16:03:53)
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it feels like a fast 2/4 , just with triplets
Thats what a 6/8 is in a way .. all the zapateados I have are written in 6/8.. as oppose to 2/4 this is to preserve the rhythm .. things written in 2/4 are military marches for example ...left ..right ...left ..right 1..2..1...2... If you just finished the army 2/4 should be in your blood now ....but you wouldnt march to 6/8 now even if it can be seen as a 2/4 with triplets ... Maybe we should have the mili marching to Sabicas.....[:D]
I wish :) we don't really do marches in the IDF , just train to the day we need to protect our country / guard the border
but to be frank, all my live I've never really counted rhythms ,just felt them, no matter what i played so i guess if i were counting i would have counted differently then i should (like 2/4 triplets instead of 6/8). by the way i know for a fact ( i got friends with musicology degrees) that 6/8 is counted 1-2 1-2 1-2 and not 1-2-3-1-2-3 this is what made me wonder about you saying 6/8 ) i just recently starting counting with flamenco 'cause the 12 beat rhythms are hard to catch , 12 beats is long to remember were you are and i need to get used to go back to compas in the right timing, still hard for me but i'll get it
by the way i know for a fact ( i got friends with musicology degrees) that 6/8 is counted 1-2 1-2 1-2 and not 1-2-3-1-2-3 this is what made me wonder about you saying 6/8 )
Well the fact is that this is wrong. 6/8 is two groups of three: 1-2-3 4-5-6 - as distinct from 3/4, which also has six eighth notes in a bar, but in three groups of two: 1-and-2-and-3-and- (where "and" is the same duration as any number in either of these examples).
It's the alternation or juxtaposition of these two ways of grouping the beats that is what makes bulerias etc. interesting. (Not to mention Venezuelan music, West African drums, etc. etc.)
That kind of zapateado can be written as 6/8, or as 12/8, which would work for you because it feels pretty much the same as 4/4 with a triplet on each beat.
El Kiko -> RE: sabicas zapetado (Apr. 14 2012 18:31:47)
Correct ..to you both ... people wouldn't count 6/8 by actualy counting 1.2.3.4.5.6 as it would be too quick and annoying ... and you can feel 1 // 2// 1 //2 // etc . but because of that feel it would be 6/8 instead of 2/4
a lot of music can be written in different time signatures ,, like 4/4 can easily be 12/8 cos of the triplet feel , this happens a lot in jazz a 12/8 with a dotted quaver , semiquaver feel ... and the solear 12 beats that you mention is 3 beats 3 beats then 2 beats , 2 beats , 2 beats ...right ? 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
then think about a very old film called West Side Story , and the rhythm of a very famous tune in there called "AMERICA ' with its , "i want to live in Amer-i-ca everything free in Amer-i-ca....etc" is written in 3/4 and 6/8 and has that same rhythm , but it could be written in 12/8, with 2 crotchet triplets or a variety of other time signatures and still be correct as it is a bit ambiguous .. ( I mean here its the same as a Solear or Bulerias , in that way ...)
Anyway not wanting to blow my own trumpet or anything but here is one Zapateado that I play and I find it a good warm up exercise as well.....
Paul Magnussen -> RE: sabicas zapetado (Apr. 14 2012 23:30:59)
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few questions on this 1)i'm seeing correctly? its all the strings 1 step down to D standard? 2)what is that technique he's using in 3:53? it looks like inverted rasgeado 3)zapetado is 4/4 right?
There’s a good transcription in Alain Faucher’s book:
