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Dedos -> Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 10 2012 21:06:41)

Hi all,
I’ve read with interest some of the “adventures” in nail conditions and also have my own tales of nails…I posted this on Delcamp some time ago and was informed by some flamenco friends that it would be of service to post here also. I hope it is of some interest to the community.
When I started playing I quickly found out that my nails were not exactly formed for the smooth passage across the strings. I had “flat” nails, one of the curses given to some that really want to play. 1973 (or thereabouts) found me in Madrid living in a flea trap called appropriately “La Granja” (the “Farm”) which was situated on the Calle Amor de Dios and right above the dance studio in that same building. I was “scrubbing“ the guitar in hopes that I would get the compass down by practice and osmosis and was, I thought, making some headway. The problem was my nails wouldn’t stand up to the wear and tear of rasqueados hour after hour. In those days (early 70’s) the protection of choice was a nasty little tube of glue called “Pegamento Imedio” which was thick and really gave a bad sound. No wonder when the Japanese guys started showing up with crazy glue that we were willing to pay big bucks for it. This still didn’t solve my problem with my flat nails, though and in desperation I thought if I used some 2-part epoxy, I would have, if not ideal nails, nails that would be rounder on the top of the nail for smoother passage across the strings and be much more durable. All the wrong things to do, of course, but at the time desperation drove me up many false trails.
It was up one of these trails that I made a happy, unplanned discovery. If, when the epoxy was almost cured and still a little pliable, I pinched the edges of the nail toward the center and curved it, it would harden to that form and I would have, for the first time in my life, the fabled curved nail for guitar playing without the dreaded “hook”! I used this “system” for about 6 months and then stopped because, as the nail grew out and the epoxy got smaller from filing, the string would catch on the back of the epoxy, pulling it off, carrying a layer of nail with it leaving me with nice curved paper thin excuses for nails that were not satisfactory for sound production and too delicate for any extended use. Lacking any other option, I started using 2 coats of fingernail polish and incredibly the curve stayed without having to use epoxy again. Further testing revealed that as long as I used fingernail polish, they would stay curved but if I didn’t, within hours, they would start to flatten out again. Very strange! What happened was that when I first pinched the edges of the nail together to form the curve, I was also, by way of the fingernail itself, curving the nail bed and causing it to extrude the nail in a curved form. The nail polish seems to stabilize the situation and I have had the nails you see in the picture for the last 38 years. I don’t recommend this method to anyone because of the chemicals that leech into your body through the nail but it accidentally worked for me.
As you can see from the images of the old leftover glue, a layer of nail is still there {where would it go?}.
It might seem strange to keep those old epoxy “caps”, but try explaining how you curved your nails in such a fashion.
Again, I do not recommend taking a chance with this method, good luck if you do,
Dedos









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Ricardo -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 15:55:44)

Interestingly my nails contour naturally after putting brush on nail glue and letting
it harden. Cyanoacrylate is pretty much the same as Krazy glue. The nails bend
thanks to the glue and have a perfect shape vs when just normal they are flatter.
Most people against Krazy glue type things don't give it a chance....they complain
about dry out or flaking off or that it takes nail off with it and thins them out etc
etc etc, but it all depends on how you apply it and if you use fresh bottles, etc.
Then filing ends up being the final important factor, lot of folks don't file correct
and think nail thickness is main tonal factor.

Anyway thanks for sharing. Also about the tape...yeah typical for many to use
tape, also masking tape, or tissue paper plus glue, and finally acrylic powder or
sand or cement.

Ricardo




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 17:10:27)

thanks .
any suggestions on maintaining them from not tearing/breaking? mine tends to break every now and then, especially the M and i file well and use nail hardener , is there something better then cosmetic nail hardener? preferably something don't isn't glossy?
you don't know how much s--- i take for my glossy nails ^^




Dedos -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 18:40:04)

Try OPI. I found out about it in another thread, went to Amazon and had it within a week. I tried to buy it here in Austin in the beauty supply shops and was told "Oh, that's professional stuff, we can't sell it - you have to go to a nail place for it and they will apply it."
The gloss? We've all been there making our hand into a fist to hide the shine...The OPI I'm talking about is OPI Matte "Nail Envy" - you can't tell when it's on and it is STRONG stuff!
Buena suerte,
Dedos




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 19:11:48)

quote:

OPI Matte "Nail Envy"


you mean this?
http://www.amazon.com/OPI-Treatment-Matte-Natural-Strengthener/dp/B0002RUM9U




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 19:16:52)

damn amazon - 25$ shiping for 2 units :S
i hate living in israel :S




Conrad -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 11 2012 22:45:34)

Oh, man. So I have an even more cursed shape I think which has totalled my ambitions as a guitarist, where it dips in the middle and angles sharply on both sides (similar to Dedos thumbnail in pic 3) - when they grow out they sort of resemble a splayed out staple with a depression in the middle. I can maybe imagine flat nails reshaping to a conical uniform contour by Ricardo's or Dedos method, but I can't believe how the dip especially and the severe angles on both sides like in pic 3 could have been corrected by these methods. That's unbelievable. Well, I feel like I have experimented with every conceivable nail shape and filing technique and had given up trying and studying guitar but this epoxy business is intriguing. I don't know anything about epoxy and I wouldn't know the right stuff to get or how to apply it. What seeped in to you, Dedos? Has it had any effect on your health?




Dedos -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 12:08:14)

Mattalica,
I sympathize with your situation as to the breaking and tearing of the nail. Over my 40 years of taking care of my nails, I have found that naturally they don't tear. I know I'm stating the obvious, but it's a matter of being very conscious of where you place your hand {nails} and thinking of what could possibly happen to them, for instance I find that when I get the most tear is when I'm putting on my shoes and put my thumb or index finger into the shoe to pull it on and then it slips, catching the corner of the nail and then tearing the damn thing into the quick...
On breaking, the same thing. Most of the time I'll strike something hard and the nail will just collapse and then I have to file it down to that {unacceptable} level.
The OPI I was talking about is:

http://www.amazon.com/OPI-Polish-Matte-NTT82-Strengthener/dp/B000ORM4EE/ref=pd_sim_bt_5

One last thought. The $25 shipping is cheap if it works! And I hope it does for you!
Good luck and PEACE, friend.
Dedos




Dedos -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 12:35:33)

Conrad,
Other than making me sterile, losing 23 points of I.Q. and making me the envy of the locker room, I have not noticed any effect from the epoxy "leeching into my body". I had to include that statement because if I didn't there would be all sorts of comments about it. The thing to remember is, to a large part, the nail is pretty impervious and so I thought there wouldn't be any danger...40 years ago! So for 40 years I've been waiting for some weirdness to manifest and, to my relief, nothing seems to have happened, but there is tomorrow...{at my age} maybe.
Something else to know {and you should look this up to convince yourself} the nail doesn't "breath"......please, check it out.
So, what kind of epoxy? Well, the stuff I used 40 years ago was bought in Spain where I was living at the time and is no longer available. This "process" has to be thought out carefully and with much deliberation because with the advancement of chemistry since I "took the leap", the chemicals are more potent and probably penetrate to a greater depth, thereby possibly making adverse reactions more probable than before.
Here's a possibility. If you are determined to go through with this, go to a doctor who specializes in this part of the body, show him my post and ask him if there is a "medically safe" epoxy {there are different types of glues used in surgery for bone repair, implants, etc.} and see if you can do it the safe way.
Keep me updated!
Good luck,
Dedos




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 13:23:34)

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" We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. "




paul.troutfisher -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 21:01:08)

Ricardo,

I'd like to hear more on your thoughts regarding brush on glue. Sounds like you've found a system that works for you; care to share?

thanks




Ricardo -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 21:54:04)

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ORIGINAL: paul.troutfisher

Ricardo,

I'd like to hear more on your thoughts regarding brush on glue. Sounds like you've found a system that works for you; care to share?

thanks

http://www.foroflamenco.com/searchpro.asp?phrase=krazy+glue&appid=ALL&topicreply=both&message=body&author=Ricardo&timeframe=%3C&timefilter=-30&language=single&top=50&criteria=AND&minRank=10&submitbutton=+OK+




paul.troutfisher -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 22:39:27)

my, that's a lot of thoughts ;-) thanks




Doitsujin -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 12 2012 22:44:53)

Strong but flexible that it won´t break at climax,...when u overpower it.. hehe ;)

btw. where is the callus on your fingertips?




Dedos -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 1:59:22)

I used to have calluses on my left {and right from ye olde abanico} hand fingers but they kind of went away when I stopped accompanying in the dance class.
I remember back in the early 70's in Madrid at the Amor de Dios dance studio there were tons of us wannabe's sitting in on the dance classes and trying to pick up what ever crumbs were thrown our way. I also noticed that all of the guys {myself included} had really thick calluses from playing. I also noticed that the classical players didn't have them and figured out {light bulb turns ON} that the constant chord holding was why the calluses formed so thickly. I remember a funny little Japanese guy that lived down the hall from me in the pension above the dance studio that had some amazing calluses that were actually green from the bronze strings and, I would imagine, sweat. He had grooves that looked almost as deep as the string was thick! He practiced constantly and just laughed when I pointed out the grooves, telling me sometimes they actually bled! Very strange but instructive at the same time. What willpower, for sure.




Dedos -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 2:05:48)

Yo Mattalica,
Are you telling us Amazon will not send you the nail polish through the mail?

Then find out the address of the supplier {there are several in Amazon} and deal with them directly! If you can't go through, go around.
Got any relatives over here? Get them to send it to you.
There are so many ways to be devious...and a nice person, to be sure...[8|]




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 9:39:20)

I do have relitives in the states , just that they are not going to be in israel anytime soon , and i don't want them to pay for shipping to israel , although it won't be much i don't want them to pay for it since i can't pay them back
but now as i think of it i might know someone who's coming to visit!
i'll try that

thanks




Ricardo -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 13:29:09)

quote:

although it won't be much i don't want them to pay for it since i can't pay them back
but now as i think of it i might know someone who's coming to visit!
i'll try that


Its called C-O-D.




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 16:51:52)

quote:

t i might know someone who's coming to visit!
i'll try that


yeah , that's what i'll do
no relative is coming soon but someone i know from the state is , ill pay him back when he'll be here




Estevan -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 18:36:17)

quote:


" We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order. "


Motty, you're going to Barcelona soon, right? Get it there:
(scroll down to CATALUNYA)

Directorio OPI en España (actualizado)

You can have a well-balanced 'metrosexual' weekend of futbol with the macho men and shopping for nail polish [;)]




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 20:59:04)

i thought about it but as far as i heard this is sold only to businesses , this beauty parlor probably use it but i'm scaptic about them selling it




Estevan -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 13 2012 21:24:43)

quote:

as far as i heard this is sold only to businesses

That's not true.

quote:

this beauty parlor probably use it but i'm scaptic about them selling it

Yes, I didn't follow the links before, but that's what it looks like. Oh well. I would have expected Corte Ingles (big department store) to have it but it's not listed there. They'll have other stuff though. OPI is not the miracle cure anyway.




kudo -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 14 2012 3:00:43)

quote:

i hate living in israel :S

why are you there? why dont you go somewhere else ? where were you before living there?




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 14 2012 7:59:25)

i'm a proud Israeli - I just finished 3 years as a fighter in the army.
i don't really want to leave, i just hate that things here tend to get more complicated, if it's cause of high taxes to fund the security budget and the fact that internet shopping get's a bit harder cause of shipping costs/there is no shipping to israel . i also have a french citizenship , had i wanted to live i wouldn't stay here.




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 23 2012 13:04:09)

i ended up ordering the OPI from amazon , it's in the post office now - i'm going to get it , hope it's really has good as you say - and hopefully really matte , i'm tired of glossy fingers




mottallica -> RE: Changing the contour of the nail (Apr. 23 2012 14:18:55)

ok, i'ts not glossy like all the other, sadfully it's not completely matte
it does seem really good though




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