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Kate -> Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 9:50:04)

I wanted to post this link on the foro, although he is not playing flamenco here it is a lovely interview and Pimientito plays beautifully. It is quite an honour for him to be interviewed and shown such interest by Spanish TV for his first record launch and hope everyone at foroflamenco is as proud of him as all his friends here in Spain are.

Mark's album Ceremonial was launched the day following this interview at the Cultural Centre in Nerja which promptly sold out leaving some very annoyed people in the foyer. The concert was filmed so I also intend to post some clips from that as well now they are up on youtube.



My husband Harold produced "Ceremonial" a collection of classical themes and it was all recorded in our studio. Mark, Harold and I formed a record label Spanish Records to make the recording available worldwide which has taken some time but we got there. You can listen to clips on CDBaby where you can also buy it and it is also now available as digital downloads.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/markshurey




Ron.M -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 10:13:31)

Very impressive and professional, Pimientito!

Olé!

cheers,

Ron




beno -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 10:31:22)

OLÉ Pim!
That's really a great thing happening! Congratulations!




Adam -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 12:38:21)

O-effin-le Pimientito!




Don Dionisio -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 13:08:11)

Enhorabuena!




Escribano -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 14:30:10)

Many congrats, sounds great!




jg7238 -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 14:50:02)

Very nice Pimientito! Probably my favorite guitar piece is "Recuerdos de la Alhambra". [:)]




rodrigovalt -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 15:31:16)

Ole pimientito!




mrMagenta -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 16:54:05)

Very happy for you, pim! That was a great TV-appearence. Lot's of charm :D
Kate, Harold, Mark. I wish you great success with the disc and all that follows it.
I also wish that it won't take forever before I can get to Granada and have a glass of wine with you guys. :-)

Ole!




rogeliocan -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 17:25:27)

Thanks for posting.

Olé Pimientito! Great interview. And congrats on leaving it all to move to Spain, I did not know that.




rombsix -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 17:28:49)

Mark - it was so hilarious listening to you talk! [:D] You have that "Americanized / Britanicized" accent in Spanish! I was expecting you to sound like you were born and raised in Spain, but I guess that doesn't really happen with people who have been English-speaking their whole lives and then learn Spanish (or any new language for that matter).

For Arabs, it is easier, because our language has so many different sounds and characters involved that if we speak another language, it is less difficult for us to get it to sound like the natives.

But I think I like your accent more than the original Spanish one. It's like when someone from the USA for example who has learned classical Arabic comes to Beirut and starts speaking with his USA accent. Usually all the girls go wild because they find it so charming! [:D] Is that the case with you in Spain?

Cheers my friend, and congratulations on the great playing and your first album! Olé!




Neotriz -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 18:00:07)

Very nice!!
I applaud to people who follows their dreams [:)]




Ricardo -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 18:19:43)

NICE guitar Mark. Was that mine or a different one???




Arash -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 18:27:08)

Ole Pim. Nice playing and ..nice Conde there




Doitsujin -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 29 2011 23:49:29)

Pim you are the man!!! =)




kudo -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 1:14:54)

Congrats Mark, but I really dont know who he (Mark) is here on the foro and I dont understand how Kate is related to Mark, (he is not her husband for sure). just who is Mark here?? im confused !!

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For Arabs, it is easier, because our language has so many different sounds and characters involved that if we speak another language, it is less difficult for us to get it to sound like the natives.

But I think I like your accent more than the original Spanish one. It's like when someone from the USA for example who has learned classical Arabic comes to Beirut and starts speaking with his USA accent. Usually all the girls go wild because they find it so charming! Is that the case with you in Spain?

yes, IN GENERAL its much easier for the Levantine Arabs, like you, me and Elie , to speak like native speakers of most languages around the world. because our levantine arabic is more flexible, and has a less of an accent compared to other accents from the arab world.

in a way, I think of it as more like clear water, if you put a drop of a color from any other language into clear water, then the water's color will change and look very much like the original color of that new language, and ofcourse the more time we are exposed to that new language , the stronger the color is and the more it sounds like a native speaker. also, arabic is one of the most difficult languages in the world, so spanish and english are really easy compared to it.
even I right now, I am not good in arabic (although my pronunciation is perfect and I can perfectly change to any other arabic accents) and my formal arabic actually sucks so bad that a foreigner who studied arabic for many years can speak formal arabic better than me , regardless of his/her accent !!

@Ramzi, I find that when native english speakers try to speak arabic or eastern languages with their english accent, it sounds like ****, that I would rather not hear it! [>:]




rombsix -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 1:26:10)

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Congrats Mark, but I really dont know who he (Mark) is here on the foro and I dont understand how Kate is related to Mark, (he is not her husband for sure). just who is Mark here?? im confused !!


Mark = Mark Shurey = Pimientito = the guy you see playing classical stuff in the video posted by Kate.

To my understanding, both Mark and Kate (and her husband Harold) are English folks living in Spain and doing flamenco / music for a living. Harold is a music producer / sound engineer. Kate and Harold are friends with Mark.

About languages - Arabic is not an easy language, but sources say there are many others that are harder. I don't know what criteria they use though. But as you said, we have more versatility in our language than English in terms of sounds produced, and I guess that is why we can sound more authentic than others at different languages.

Cheers!




Doitsujin -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 3:37:03)

quote:

Arabic is not an easy language


Right! Even names are complicated in arabic!! You know this dude?

Hadschi Halef Omar Ben Hadschi Abul Abbas Ibn Hadschi Dawuhd al Gossarah




Doitsujin -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 3:40:18)

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@Ramzi, I find that when native english speakers try to speak arabic or eastern languages with their english accent, it sounds like ****, that I would rather not hear it!


And I would rather prefer not to read something like that!! SHERIOSLY! (><)!! Go and practice peteneras!

OR:


!!! hehe ;)




kudo -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 4:14:43)

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Hadschi Halef Omar Ben Hadschi Abul Abbas Ibn Hadschi Dawuhd al Gossarah

lol its not supposed to be that complicated. Hadschi is actually Hajji which means "one who has performed the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca". the rest are fillers, just like in spanish Paco DE lucia, de is a filler in the name, which means Paco, son of Lucia (his mom)
so the name really is:
Omar Abul Abbas Dawuhd al Gossarah, you have 4 generations here

quote:

Go and practice peteneras!

my pleasure![:)]




Pimientito -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 11:52:25)

Thank you all so much guys. Its been quite a big year for me. I haven't really talked about it on the forum because its a classical guitar project, not a flamenco guitar thing and so its a bit off topic. Some of you know that I play flamenco and classical guitar and I really incorporate flamenco technique to interpret my classical playing. I admire Grisha very much for not making a purist distinction between the two types of playing. For me flamenco technique really brings out the best in many classical compositions which is why im constantly going on about rasgueos and tremelos.

Hey Ricardo - yes, that is your old conde!

So this year (2011) I played at the Alhambra, played a solo to close a major flamenco festival in granada, launched a record company, did two live TV shows, made a recorded U.S. TV show, played at Andres Segovias house, made a movie, and manufactured and launched my first CD. Its been enormously hard work.

Harold and I finished recording the album in January this year but
by the time the company paperwork was finished and mastering, followed
by the cover artwork etc. then having to take off a track at the last
moment because of copyright, the deadline for the release was really close.

I started advertising the record launch in September, that meant all the publicity came out in October ready for the launch on 4th November. This worked very well and the theatre sold many seats. It looked like we would sell out for the concert.
10 days before the concert my second guitarist pulled out as he had a gig in Russia
that he didn't tell me about...I was not very impressed as you can imagine!!
At this time I was still waiting for the CDs to arrive from the factory.
Also my guitar developed a weird fret buzz that needed fixing. The next day I fell
and managed to break two fingernails on my right hand so 6 days before the launch I had a sold out theatre, no CDs, no musicians, 2 broken nails and my guitar in the workshop.

....that was a bit of a freak out!!

Anyway over the week end, the CDs arrived, I got Gel on my nails and prayed they would last the weekend. I found a singer and dancer in Granada who agreed to do the second half of the show and a violinist to help with the first part, and when it came to the launch everything went really well. All the stress and stuff going wrong turned into a huge success. We sold out the theatre which paid for the publicity, filming, artists, sound and record company costs.

We have called our company Spanish records because we found that all the other names we could think of had been registered and unbelievably, no-one else had thought to register the name....funny how things turn out!!!!!




TANúñez -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 13:03:34)

Congrats Pimientito. Really enjoyed the vid. Thanks for sharing Kate.




mrMagenta -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 18:18:26)

Haha! I know how difficult it is to find a good name that isn't registered... Funny that there could still be such a pure and simple name like Spanish records still available. Sounds like it has been around for 100 years.




kudo -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 18:44:05)

oh yes, that guy, ya now i know who he is on the foro! [:)]




Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 18:45:18)

quote:

So this year (2011) I played at the Alhambra, played a solo to close a major flamenco festival in granada, launched a record company, did two live TV shows, made a recorded U.S. TV show, played at Andres Segovias house, made a movie, and manufactured and launched my first CD. Its been enormously hard work.


Congratulations--what a year you've had! Although it took years for you to get to this point now you'll have to convince people that your success wasn't overnight--lol. Kudos to Kate and Harold for their part in your CD as well.




Ruphus -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 30 2011 18:59:33)

Fascinating event!
Great that it all came out well.
Congratulations!

( Once again; can´t access youtube ...[:@] )

Ruphus




Ruphus -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 31 2011 0:56:32)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix

For Arabs, it is easier, because our language has so many different sounds and characters involved that if we speak another language, it is less difficult for us to get it to sound like the natives.



This appears like a surprising observation to me.

I don´t know anything about Levantine Arabic, but wouldn´t expect it to be intonated differently from the typical oriental language which emphasizes the words ending, whereas European languages mainly emphasize the idioms beginning ( and partially the middle ).

Next, the Arabic scripture doesn´t include all of vowels, and is limited in covering sounds, for its characters representing syllables ( not single consonants), almost like stenography. ( Which means that a series of combinations like e.g. "st", "cl", "br", "gr" "pr", "pf" etc. are not covered. ) And at least with Persians I have found that they can spell only with big difficulty what the Arabic scripture can´t capture / display in the same time, which concerns quite a lot of sounds of other languages.

Then there is the problem with no grammatical article in oriental languages, with people hardly learning their correct use ( even most of who started learning the none-native language before age of 15 ).

Finally, the claim that languages like English or Spanish would be easy seems like quite a fallacy to me.
English is only easy on entry level and gets more demanding the higher up the language ladder.
And while the Spanish vocabulary book might be comparably thin, the Spanish grammar book is a thick tome with all too many unregular cases that have to be learned by heart.

Anyway, my experience does not coincide with your claim that Orientals would grasp foreign languages particularly well.
Certainly not those who started out at age above ~ 8 years.

In Europe many Arabs, Turks, Kurds and others don´t master the corresponding language and its intonation yet after 40 years and more of residence.

Ruphus




rombsix -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 31 2011 1:14:43)

Thanks for the input, Ruphus.

Your post started out on topic, but then veered off. I was referring to pronunciation ONLY. I was not talking about mastering the actual language. Some of the statements you made are factual, and I don't claim to be a master of the Arabic language. However, I am sure that most people whose sole native language is English surely will have much more trouble sounding like native Spanish speakers than will, say, Lebanese people (who mostly are brought up speaking three languages, Arabic being the native one of course).

If you listen to Mark speaking in Spanish as per the above video, you would directly realize that he is English or American. However, if I were to learn Spanish properly and speak it, I would sound much more like a native than Mark. No disrespect to Mark or English/American folk, and no pompousness intended or conveyed (hopefully). As an example, I spent one month in Spain few years ago, and had prepared with some basic Spanish a couple of weeks before going there, and received several comments by Spaniards that "Wow - you sound like you're actually Spanish!" Again - no flaunting intended, but I stand by my original viewpoint.

Cheers!




Ruphus -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 31 2011 1:28:45)

Thank you for explaining, Ramzi.

Ruphus




rombsix -> RE: Pimientito on Spanish TV (Dec. 31 2011 1:35:36)

quote:

Thank you for explaining, Ramzi.

Ruphus


No problem my friend. [:)]




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