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kudo -> Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 0:32:51)

Im learning a Peteneras by her!
do you guys know her? unfortunately she died in 1996





bursche -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 0:54:20)

Was that a subtle suggestion that she might have died of bad fortune because of peteneras?




larrygraham -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 1:14:27)

At the end of the video (from 1:37) , there is a white rectangle patch on the top of the guitar. What is this?

Why is she resting her ear on top of the guitar?
I have seen some guitarists in Spain do this also.
What is the reason?
Will this cause ear damage from loud noise?




rombsix -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 1:39:31)

quote:

At the end of the video (from 1:37) , there is a white rectangle patch on the top of the guitar. What is this?

Why is she resting her ear on top of the guitar?
I have seen some guitarists in Spain do this also.
What is the reason?
Will this cause ear damage from loud noise?


Some people stick a paper with reminders of lyrics, chords, song order during performance, etc. That might be it.

She is resting her ear on the top because she feels so much of what she's playing that she feels she needs to sort of embrace the guitar and get the "full sound" from the source. That's my take at least. I don't think this is good for hearing.

Cheers!




Ramon Amira -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 2:03:50)

Anita Sheer was one of the very few students taken on by Carlos Montoya. She performed quite a bit in the sixties. She wrote a book with Harry Berlow on how to play flamenco guitar, entitled "An Introduction to Flamenco Guitar," and later a preparatory book for the first one. "Introduction" is probably where that Peteneras came from.

It's actually a very good book for beginners, with some basic falsetas from Montoya. It includes Sevillanas, Farruca, Soleares, Siguiriyas, Tientos por Zambra, Bulerias, Peteneras, and some other palos.

Ramon




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 2:09:39)

quote:

do you guys know her?


Yes, I knew her quite well. She was one of the founders of the The Flamenco Society of San José, and pretty much ran it. In fact, she introduced me to my wife, who was in a flamenco guitar class of hers she invited me to teach at as a guest instructor.

She was reportedly the only pupil of Carlos Montoya, and had a length career as a flamenco guitarist and singer. She also published some instructional material.

I did once ask her about the habit of clutching the guitar with her head down; she said it was her trademark, and she didn't want to change it.




gbv1158 -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 9:33:16)

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She is resting her ear on the top because (......) she needs to sort of embrace the guitar and get the "full sound" from the source. That's my take at least. I don't think this is good for hearing.


it is to feel like you're playing the guitar INSIDE the brain! ...:-)

by the way......exposure to noise above 85 decibels (dB) can cause permanent hearing loss! ..... and if I am not wrong the guitar gives 60/65 dB.

ciao,
giambattista




Arash -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 10:40:15)

sounds like female manitas de plata to me ..
[&:]




beno -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 14:15:12)

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sounds like female manitas de plata to me ..
[:D]

...and like a mess of noise for me.....




Doitsujin -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 15:16:56)

I just wonder why nobody stood up and told her:





rombsix -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 16:23:46)

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I just wonder why nobody stood up and told her:


[:D] You're crazy man... [8D][:D]




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 25 2011 16:36:23)

LOL i agree with ramzi




Adam -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 0:59:21)

haha I agree with doit.




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 1:32:48)

if you guys want the guitarpro file of this petenera , then I can post it in the tabs section if that ok with the forum rules, but im not sure, is that ok?




Doitsujin -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 1:49:49)

You are sure to play peteneras? That means bad luck.. I won´t listen since I'm superstitious!!!!

But tell me your life after that peteneras. I´m curious if you get hit by a car...or your gf breaks up or whatever! ;D




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 2:00:25)

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I won´t listen since I'm superstitious!!

[:D][:D] I assume you are being sarcastic.
quote:

your gf breaks up or whatever! ;D

your picked the wrong guy for that, [:D] , never had a gf




Doitsujin -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 3:21:06)

Yeah sarcastic.. but.... i wouldnt listen since petenera is boring stuff. :P


Well, I´m not sure how to read your hint but whatever makes you a happy guy, should not be ended or denied before it even starts by the bad luck of a petenera!! ;)

Think about it...you never know! Better keep your hands off that silly stuff! Don´t gamble my friend! ( I don´t want to write afterwards "I told you dude!!" xD)




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 4:34:15)

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but whatever makes you a happy guy, should not be ended or denied before it even starts by the bad luck of a petenera!! ;)

A petenera cant end itself, can it? [:D] because cante jondo makes me happy,its that silly old stuff that makes me happy [:)] unlike anything else.




Munin -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 4:35:02)

Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this isn't very good...




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 4:36:37)

you guys have not listened to some awesome peteneras! thats why you think its silly and boring. I could definitely think that any palo is silly and boring when I hear very little of it and hear the boring ones. you are missing out the good stuff. throw the superstitions away, its garbage! modern singers know that its garbage as they can sing peteneras but dont really have the guitarists who would play them




Tomrocker -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 18:44:34)

Kudo i do agree! even when you go looking for some materials, they are really few. My teacher try always to ignore me when i ask for this palo! please di post this in the tab section [:)]




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 19:08:32)

I will post some peteneras from the old school maestros in the tab section, as soon as i scan the papers on me . very soon! I WILL make a topic and put every peteneras I have on me over there for the other peteneras lovers [;)]




Tomrocker -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 19:50:55)

THanks a million[:D] and if you need things you can't find, just ask and may be i've got it:))




Ricardo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 30 2011 22:41:44)

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ORIGINAL: kudo

Im learning a Peteneras by her!
do you guys know her? unfortunately she died in 1996




Wow, that was pretty bad. Garcia Lorca is not my favorite stuff, and way over covered but this was painful. I have the book she did with another guy, and it was OK for american classical students. I had no idea she played like that, and sang so bad to boot.

Garcia Lorcas "Cafe de Chinitas" is the classic peteneras, a nice duet version by Paco and Ricardo Modrego I made a trascription of in college. Bad **** happened and I don't go near the palo ever since.

You may want to reconsider you present course of action. You have been warned.

Ricardo




kudo -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 31 2011 2:05:31)

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Bad **** happened and I don't go near the palo ever since.

how bad were the bad events? like you lost your love? a woman cheated on you? give me some hints [:D] for me to take the warning seriously.




Ramon Amira -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Dec. 31 2011 14:12:23)

Anyone who thinks Peteneras is boring never heard it sung by Nina de los Peines.



Ramon




Mark2 -> RE: Anita Sheer-Tocaora de flamenco (Jan. 2 2012 17:16:20)

I knew Anita Sheer-not well, but enough to know that she loved flamenco and encouraged others who did. What some of you guys may not understand is that things have changed a lot over the last thirty-fourty years, in terms of what was available to foreigners trying to learn flamenco. No access to what was going on in Spain unless you went there. No you tube, no tabs, few records, no amazing slow downer, hell no one in my neck of the woods had figured out any of Paco's solos, and even if they did, they couldn't play them. I remember going to see a few of the top local players back in the early 80's and was impressed because one of them could play Panaderos well. That was the standard of the day. I'm not saying people couldn't play in compas, but , well, I hope the point is made.

That Anita had lessons with Montoya was in fact a big deal then. And believe me, it was not that there were a ton of teachers out there for aspiring students. There were few and far between. When people talked about " the secrets of flamenco guitar" they weren't kidding. And I won't even go into who Carlos was in his prime and what people thought of him. I'll just say he was a huge star, and although his way of playing has largely been discredited, that wasn't the case then.

I have the benefit of still being alive, and witnessing the progress of local flamenco, to a point now where we have players like Jason in our backyard. Where people like Grisha have demonstrated that Paco can be covered.

Without trying to defend the performance in question, one thing I'm certain about is that in thirty years from now , people will watch video being produced today-maybe some by people you respect, and say how much they suck, because they will in fact suck based on the standards of tomorrow.




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