Is Cajon for guitar players? (Full Version)

Foro Flamenco: http://www.foroflamenco.com/
- Discussions: http://www.foroflamenco.com/default.asp?catApp=0
- - General: http://www.foroflamenco.com/in_forum.asp?forumid=13
- - - Is Cajon for guitar players?: http://www.foroflamenco.com/fb.asp?m=182021



Message

rodrigovalt -> Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 3:39:33)

Hi flamencos!

Does anyone know if playing cajon once in a while can harm the fingers, hand or wrists of us that play the guitar?

I'm planing to buy a cajon, but I once tryed to play and for the next half an hour my fingers where hurting, maybe I hit it to hard[:D].

And also any recommendations of a good cajon?

Cheers



Guest -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 4:01:18)

hi
i've been playing for several years. not in groups but mainly at home or in the home studio, or jamming with friends.....
it does need to be played fairly lightly to get the right tones...
but hands can swell up...so go lightly
here is a link to an Australian website which offers lessons...
there are a few free modules....a few about tone etc...
i'm not by any means a great player but can keep time with palo's etc...really enjoy the break from guitar...


http://www.learncajon.com/



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 4:16:27)

Thank you Alval! so hands can swell up huh[&:]... I would like to have one but don't want to risk anything because my thing is the guitar.

I think if I buy it I'll play it once a week as soft as possible haha. Thanks for the site!

Any other guitar players that play cajon eventually and would like to share their experience.

Which cajon should I buy?



Elie -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 4:16:38)

Hello Rodrigo,
I think AlVal's post said it all ... my story is exactly similar to him I bought a Cajon to take a break from the guitar, I have been playing cajon for 2 years now either in home or with friends 'not on stage'
Cajons make fingers tired sometimes but you can handle that I don't think they will cause any harm to your fingers ... but for me after playing for a while I feel that my hand and fingers are very big hehehe [:D]
I bought my cajon from here:
http://meinlpercussion.com/no_cache/percussion/meinl-percussion/cajons/
and learned how to play palos from this course (which I got free online):
Xavier Jimenez Climent - Metodo de cajon del nuevo flamenco


p.s you reminded me of my cajon [:D] I should make a video of me playing cajon and guitar soon

cheers mate !



at_leo_87 -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 4:32:10)

i used to play cajon and guitar at the same gig, usually in that order. it was horrible for my fingers! it was those snare hits that did it.

if you're going to do it, like the others have already said, go light. some cajons are easier to play than others so before you buy one, try a few out.

im thinking about getting an udu. it looks easier on the hands.



Guest -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 8 2011 7:41:47)

On Cajons
first i bought an $80 no name no tone model
then lashed out and bought a Requena...$400
big big big [did i say big?] difference in how you attack the instrument...so the quality is worth considering.


Noticed Pedro Cortes makes some Schmick looking Cajons
http://www.flamenco-classes.com/store.asp



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 1:12:51)

Thanks for the info guys!!

So there's a few people that have tried it[:D]...

Elie you definitely should make a video accompanying yourself with the cajon. Pick it up and do some bulerias! but careful with the fingers!![:D]


Thank you Aval and at_leo87, I will try to save some more money to buy a good quiality cajon, one that is easy to play and loud without much effort.

I watched an interview to Antonio Carmona (Ex Ketama) and didn't know that the guy played the cajon in some recordings from Camaron, Paco de Lucia and some others.


Has anyone tried the De Gregorio cajones? I found them in www.flamenco-world.com

Cheers



at_leo_87 -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 1:20:58)

i never had any experience with de gregorio. but i've heard bad things about flamenco-world.

schlagwerk makes good stuff.



Guest -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 1:45:51)

quote:

flamenco-world.

a 4 month wait is never fun...
quote:

schlagwerk

Seem to be the 'Standard' in cajon's...figure you cant go wrong.
Requena do good Models particularly in the student range....
http://www.requenapercusion.com/products.htm



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 1:50:07)

Thanks for the suggestion Leo, I've only bought a few products from flamencoworld and it takes a while to get delivered.

I like the look of those schlagwerk ! now I just need to try one haha



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 1:56:21)

quote:

Seem to be the 'Standard' in cajon's...figure you cant go wrong.
Requena do good Models particularly in the student range....
http://www.requenapercusion.com/products.htm


So what is better? Requena or schlagwerk



Guest -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 2:37:29)

quote:

So what is better?

my schlagwerk playing friends like the bottom end sound of my requena..
i like the 'snap' in the high end of the schlagwerk
But assume this is relevent to the Models.

both are safe options i think with not alot dividing them...figure there also other options...
hope you get an opportunity to try a few...
good luck...they are great to have around...lots of musical enjoyment.



at_leo_87 -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 11:02:18)

check this one out.



having the port in the front is really cool. you dont get the bass buildup like you would with the port in the back, especially if you tilt back or if you're corner or there's a wall behind you. and you can use one mic to get all the sound from out front instead of trying to deal with one in the back and one in the front.

http://chambopercussion.com/es/tienda?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_boxed.tpl&product_id=1&category_id=1

Images are resized automatically to a maximum width of 800px



Ricardo -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 20:17:15)

every cajon player I have played with that was actually a percussionist and good, taped his fingers up before playing seriously. So, simple answer is "no". Of course learning percussion is going to improve your musicality in general, but the instrument need not necessarily be a cajon. One of my pet peeves is the vast majority of folks involved in flamenco at some level think banging on a box is so easy and a big help to a juerga or group of performers or dance class or whatever. Well, unless you are already a GOOD percussionist....IT'S NOT!!!!!![&:][:D]



kozz -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 20:20:37)

quote:

Hi flamencos!

Does anyone know if playing cajon once in a while can harm the fingers, hand or wrists of us that play the guitar?

I'm planing to buy a cajon, but I once tryed to play and for the next half an hour my fingers where hurting, maybe I hit it to hard .

And also any recommendations of a good cajon?


Olah Rodrigo,
I have a Cortes Black & White...a very nice cajon.
Watch out for the cheaper ones, they aren't so alive sounding.

I like to play Udu after playing, it kinda pumps blood back to the hands.



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 23:41:24)

OHHHH its a tough decision! now I'm confused! hahahhaha

I dont want to become a cajon player, I play guitar for 5 hours a day, or more if possible. Cajon I would play it for 2 hours per week or something like that, to record some loops for myself.

If not maybe my brother can be my cajon player[:D]

thanks a lot for the info Leo, Ricardo and Kozz!

Cheers



rombsix -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 9 2011 23:56:44)

I've seen many play cajon with brushes or sticks - why not give THAT a go?



rodrigovalt -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 10 2011 3:51:27)

quote:


RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (in reply to rodrigovalt) 

I've seen many play cajon with brushes or sticks - why not give THAT a go?


You are right Ramzi! I've seen those too.. I have no experience with percussion but I think that would be a good solution. I would look for more info about those online[:)] Gracias amigo

I already asked my brother and he is willing to try flamenco[8D]... he has been listening to my guitar all my life hahahhaa, so maybe there's already a little bit of compas in him



rombsix -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 10 2011 4:01:15)

quote:

I already asked my brother and he is willing to try flamenco ... he has been listening to my guitar all my life hahahhaa, so maybe there's already a little bit of compas in him


Just be careful that he doesn't end up becoming the guitarist, and you transform into the cajonist. [8D][:D]



at_leo_87 -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 10 2011 4:41:54)

good thinking, ramz!

i have these brushes. they're pretty nice.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums-percussion/vater-monster-brush/446666000000000



Elie -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 10 2011 12:02:43)

quote:

I play guitar for 5 hours a day, or more if possible.

That must feel very good [:D]



machopicasso -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Nov. 10 2011 22:44:23)

quote:

every cajon player I have played with that was actually a percussionist and good, taped his fingers up before playing seriously.


Curiously, what's involved in taping one's fingers, and is that sufficient to avoid damage to the nails?



XXX -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Dec. 1 2011 16:07:48)

can someone help me with cajon course recommendations? like dvds or youtube vids? and maybe cajons?
is this any good?
http://www.thomann.de/gr/meinl_hcaj3nt_cajon.htm



Kevin Cloud -> RE: Is Cajon for guitar players? (Aug. 4 2012 2:04:41)

Hi, I wish I'd seen this earlier! I make master quality cajones in Berkeley California, just joined the foro a couple of weeks ago, and just posted a somewhat-lengthy "thoughts on the cajón" over in the Lutherie forum, partly in response to the several cajón threads here in the foro... y'all might enjoy the whole thing with it's detailing of the 3 main types of cajón (peruano, flamenco, and 'modern'), but the short answer to main issue of this thread is:

"... the 'modern' style... designed to be super-responsive to finger-tip playing, allowing a wide pallette of very rich tones even at very low volume... is fine for guitar players as the movements and impacts are probably actually less violent than right-hand flamenco technique or palmas ;-) "

hope that helps :-)
-kc
www.berkeleyboxworks.com
www.facebook.com/berkeley.boxworks.cajon.drums.plus



Page: [1]

Valid CSS!




Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET