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rogeliocan -> 2 things about strings (Sep. 21 2011 23:17:09)

I tried La Bella Flamenco 2001 strings (medium) for the first time yesterday just to try them out.
They were completely out of tune could play anywhere on the neck.
Really bad and never again. They are already off the guitar.

Can't believe I just got a 'bad set' since I never got a bad set with my regular strings.

On another subject, the bass strings, on one end, they have a... don't know how to say it... a part that is much more flexible. And I was never 100% what it was for but I am pretty sure it is to make it easier to wrap around the tie block correct?
In any case I don't like using that and always end up putting at the other end where it just gets cut off... Just curious about what others do with that.



rombsix -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 21 2011 23:34:16)

I've had a lot of negative experiences with black / red nylon trebles, but I've had some really great experiences too. Some sets did the crap you mentioned, having really terrible intonation. Others had problems with becoming all worn and getting small bits of string filaments protruding from parts of the string so when you slide your finger on the string, you would feel it is coarse and annoying.

Other times, I've put in black trebles that were AMAZING. Those were Fender black nylons though...

About the part of the string that is thinner - yeah, that usually goes around the tie block easier than the normal part of the string. However, I do the same thing you do by using it at the headstock in the tuning posts, and looping the excess into tidy circles. I don't like cutting excess string.



BarkellWH -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 21 2011 23:41:56)

About the thinner, more flexible part of the bass strings, I have never seen them tied at the tie-block end on the bridge, and I don't think they were meant to be. My assumption has been that they are meant to be tied on the tuner rollers on the headstock. Every guitar I have ever seen or played had the thicker end of the bases tied to the tie-block.

Cheers,

Bill



rogeliocan -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 21 2011 23:50:05)

Thanks guys, glad to see I am not alone, but now I see there are different opinions.
In fact, about tying it to the tie block I did try it but I did not think it worked well but I was never sure I was doing doing it right anyways. I just gave up.

I can't imagine tying the thin part to the roller, can you imagine how much string you would have wound up there!... well, maybe but you would be turning to tighten forever!



BarkellWH -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 0:24:43)

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I can't imagine tying the thin part to the roller, can you imagine how much string you would have wound up there!... well, maybe but you would be turning to tighten forever!


Actually, you don't wind the entire string on the roller. You loop it through the hole in the roller and twist it a couple of times, leaving the rest free. I just create a loop from the leftover string. The idea is that when the string breaks near the tie-block (usually it's the fourth, or D string) you still have enough string left over to use it again. It saves using a new string every time it breaks.

Cheers,

Bill



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rogeliocan -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 2:05:03)

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Actually, you don't wind the entire string on the roller. You loop it through the hole in the roller and twist it a couple of times, leaving the rest free. I just create a loop from the leftover string. The idea is that when the string breaks near the tie-block (usually it's the fourth, or D string) you still have enough string left over to use it again. It saves using a new string every time it breaks.


I understand that. I thought your previous post said that you use the thin part on the peg which by the post attached here, you clearly don't. So basically it's like every body else, you don't use it, you tie the other end on the block and leave this one dangling (roll or cut) at the other end.

So someone should write a user guide as nobody really seems to know what to do with it... ;)

Ramzy, you know your strings, in a few months I will have forgotten these were black trebles. But that is old age.



BarkellWH -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 2:24:40)

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I understand that. I thought your previous post said that you use the thin part on the peg which by the post attached here, you clearly don't. So basically it's like every body else, you don't use it, you tie the other end on the block and leave this one dangling (roll or cut) at the other end.


Rogeliocan,

In both posts I am stating that the thin, more flexible end of the string is tied on the Roller at the headstock. What I emphasized is that you do not wind the string completely, with many revolutions, on the roller. You put it through the hole, twist it a couple of times and turn the roller a couple of times, and the leftover string should not be cut off. It can be circled and curled on itself, or you can leave it dangling. Either way, if you save it, then when the string breaks at its thicker end, at the tie-block, which occasionally happens, you have enough string left to use it again, instead of having to use a brand new string.

Cheers,

Bill



C. Vega -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 4:26:21)

The floppy ends of wound bass strings are nothing more than a by-product of the manufacturing process. They are not intended to be tied or wound onto the tie block, machine head rollers or peg shafts. Pull the string through so that the full winding takes hold and either cut off or loop the floppy ends into a neat circle. You don't need any more than a couple of turns of string on the rollers or peg shafts. Trying to use strings that have been wound around a roller or peg shaft to keep from replacing one that has broken at the tie block is false economy. In the grand scheme of things, guitar strings are cheap.
Learn how to properly string your guitar and be thankful that you don't play the violin or the cello where a single top quality string can cost multiples of a whole set of guitar strings.



xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 10:57:35)

i seem to be the only one actually using the more flexible part at the tie block [:D]



rombsix -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 11:47:43)

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i seem to be the only one actually using the more flexible part at the tie block


I don't do that because after I tie the string at the tie block and wind it into tune, a part of the string is not fully taut around the tie block. To fix that, I usually pull with a vice on the free end of the string from the tie block. If I were to do that with the flexible end, it comes unwound and can even break. So this is why I prefer to have the flexible part around the tuning post.



gbv1158 -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 12:43:39)

I also loop the excess string in tidy circles..... however I use La Bella 2001 - LIGHT tension - on my Ramirez FL2 and I have never had problems.
ciao
Giambattista



Richard Jernigan -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 22 2011 15:30:18)

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ORIGINAL: C. Vega

The floppy ends of wound bass strings are nothing more than a by-product of the manufacturing process. They are not intended to be tied or wound onto the tie block, machine head rollers or peg shafts. Pull the string through so that the full winding takes hold and either cut off or loop the floppy ends into a neat circle. You don't need any more than a couple of turns of string on the rollers or peg shafts. Trying to use strings that have been wound around a roller or peg shaft to keep from replacing one that has broken at the tie block is false economy. In the grand scheme of things, guitar strings are cheap.
Learn how to properly string your guitar and be thankful that you don't play the violin or the cello where a single top quality string can cost multiples of a whole set of guitar strings.


Yes.

RNJ



Yojimbo -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 1:59:10)

Pistols at dawn.

Let's see who's really right.



Harry -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 2:27:28)

My experience with black trebles has been bad all around. I find they have no musicality to them, but hey the same strings sound different on different guitars.

That being said, I used to swear by the La Bella 820 red trebles, but they sound pretty floppy and weak on my two current guitars. I don't like making statements about strings since definitely they sound different for each person/guitar, but I think it is safe to say that two strings I truly recommend people avoid are La Bella 2001 series flamenco strings and Savarez Tomatito strings.



rodrigovalt -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 3:07:51)

Now I see that some others also had a bad experience with la bella.

I changed the strings of my new guitar for the first time a few days after I got her (used la bella 820 black trebles). At the beginning I didn't notice it, but then when I tryed to play after the 7th fret it was completely out of tune!
I was freaking out because I thought "why didn't I noticed that the guitar was out of tune when I got it!!!" I was about to contact the seller because I thought it was the guitar, since it was the first time that when playing a guitar only the notes of the first 6 frets where on tune[:D]..
luckily y decided to change the strings and BOOOM problem solved![:)]

Won't buy them again



HeavyWood -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 4:37:51)

Since I like light tension strings, I don't have many choices...

The LaBella 2001 trebles sound good on my negra,
though I have used them with Daddario basses.

I have all Daddario on now, but I will have to see if a new set
of 2001 trebles have an intonation problem.



FullMetalGuitarist -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 8:22:26)

I'v always been told not to tie the thin end of the E string.
Heard that there is no real purpose for it.

As for looping the strings , in one of the times i did so , I got buzz when playing , has anyone encountered such thing?



rombsix -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 8:59:06)

quote:

a part that is much more flexible




Check around 7:30 of this video.

versus



Check around 0:25 of this video.

[:D]



C. Vega -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 10:45:53)

Just because you see it on a YouTube video doesn't mean that it's right.



rombsix -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 11:02:11)

quote:

Just because you see it on a YouTube video doesn't mean that it's right.


I never said it was right. You assumed that. I just pointed out these two videos to show that some people use the flexible ends at the bridge, and others at the tuning post.



bursche -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 11:27:14)

come on guys it is so obviously meant to avoid clearance around the tie block that would otherwise cause the string to tune down.



XXX -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 13:36:04)

It is true that a shorter radius of the same material will result a tighter knot. However on the flexible part of the string there is no full winding anymore. Under the winding there is nylon, and i dont need to mention how slippery nylon is. So, use the full winding on both ends, tuning and tie block.

ps: that doesnt mean it WILL slip, but it is always better to not use the flexible part.



rogeliocan -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 23 2011 22:05:28)

Funny, we will never know.
I don't trust the guy in the second video, it is all opinion of course but way too many winding, I have better things to do with my time!!!



n85ae -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 24 2011 2:24:35)

I don't get it, I don't use knot's or anything fancy, a simple single loop on the bass's
at the one end, and pull em tight at the tuner end, twist 2-3 times and tension the tuner. 3-4 twists on the trebles at one end, pull em tight, 2-3 twists at the other
end tighten the tuners. That's it. Oh and cut the slack end off with nail clippers. I
leave about a 10mm tag end. NEVER had to have extra for a break off.

NEVER had a string come loose EVER. Don't melt strings, don't use fancy knots.
Just a really simple basic method.

I have three guitars, and I hate old strings so I change them often, can do it
mid-argument with the wife, while making tea, and putting the kids to bed,
while wearing my long range glasses, all at the same time, and still never
mess up tying them.

Just how f-ing difficult is it now really guys?

Regards,
Jeff



Pablito -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 24 2011 2:46:06)

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mid-argument with the wife


HAHAHAHA!!!!



rombsix -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 24 2011 4:34:17)

Hey everyone,

I wanted to finally lay this issue to rest regarding the flexible / loose end of the bass string. I contacted D'Addario and inquired about the matter. They replied and mentioned:

1- The loose end is NOT a by-product of manufacturing, but is indeed created on purpose.

2- The loose end is indeed meant to go at the bridge / tie block.

3- One reason is that it is passed through the tie block easier than the "normal" side of the bass string.

4- Another reason is that because it's loose, there is less of a chance for it to go out the other end of the tie block, continue to the top of the guitar, and scratch it.

5- The loose end also is easier to tie and slips less, so it is a lock feature.

6- The PRIMARY reason why the loose end is created is to lessen some of the tension on the bass string (mostly the low E string) when putting in the string for the first time, so that as the tension builds up while turning the tuning peg, it does not separate the windings before getting to pitch.

I hope this makes things clearer.



KMMI77 -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 24 2011 6:27:25)

Here is another thread about the same thing that i just stumbled upon.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=9831&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=frets%2Cround&tmode=&smode=&s=#9843



XXX -> RE: 2 things about strings (Sep. 24 2011 7:48:05)

If it is not a by product, then I would like to know where C. Vega has gotten this information.



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