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Don't forget the fence along the 38th parallel. Basically keeps North Koreans inside under threat of being shot trying to cross. Although it was to built for more complex reasons, it does serve as a deterrent for exiting NK, it has effectively become that. It's been in place longer than the Berlin Wall was in place and it's had more fighting action.
I hear there's another wall in Israel that keeps people fenced in some out of the way place called Gaza. There are walls all over the world which keep people in countries they can't leave.

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I guess for whatever reason the Isreali wall was built, it simply serves the purpose of a wall, just like any other wall in history... dont try to hide your political views behind such silly comments guys (keeps in, keeps out).

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In out, in out, I was just trying to see why the Berlin Wall was so different than any other wall. All walls keep someone in and someone out.

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I think that had you been an East German at the time, whose only exit from East Germany was cut off by the wall vs. an Israeli today, who can travel the world over in spite of the wall to keep out Palestinian terrorists, the difference would become much clearer.

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And for a Gaza' resident, he can go anywhere in Palestine and worldwide except in Israel?

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And what about this wall? (with a water extention)

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Ah yes, but if you were a law abiding Palistinian caught behind the Gaza wall which is keeping a handful of terrorists out of Israel, but locking 100,000's in, you might consider this the main effect. The intention and actual result are two different things. In this light Gaza and East Berlin were not unlike in the final analysis. The intention may be different, but the effect is the same.

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Yes, but by your logic, you state that the Palestinian gov. failed to rein in the terrorists, by that logic it was the Palistian gov. that caused the wall to be built.

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
And the anology fails for the following reason: It was the government in East Berlin that built the wall to keep its population in; and in order for the Gaza situation to be analogous to Berlin, it would had to have been the government in Gaza who built the Gaza wall to keep its population in Gaza and out of Israel, which, as we know, clearly was not the case. Alternatively, had the Israelis built the wall to keep Israelis from traveling into Gaza, that would have been analogous to Berlin, but that, too, cleary was not the case. Again, there is a big difference in building a wall to keep your population from leaving (Berlin), and one designed to prevent invaders (Athens, China) and infiltrators (Israel) from entering.

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ORIGINAL: Deniz
The moment the SU considered East and West Germany to be a "inner-German problem", i.e. unrelated to their own policies, East Germany had not much power to back up its souverenity.

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The moment the SU considered East and West Germany to be a "inner-German problem", i.e. unrelated to their own policies, East Germany had not much power to back up its souverenity. Along with other reasons, this was the main reason why it became more attractive for East Germans to become a citizen of West Germany, and it was after that the masses started to flood.

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Maybe one day when I'm rich and powerful I'll appreciate politics, today I'm just another victim.
Aug 13th rocks though it's my birthday

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Are you going to listen to the show Bill or is it too loopy doopy BBC liberal/ PC?

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ORIGINAL: estebanana
If not for Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works and the Mikoyan shop in Russia and the super baddass airplane designs they created, that whole epoch would have been a giant super power snooze fest.