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Josué Machado -> Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 29 2011 12:23:59)

Hello All!

I saw Paco in Toronto on Monday night and was wondering if anybody knew the name of the singers, dancer and other guitarist that was with him.

It was an amazing show!

Thanks!




rombsix -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 29 2011 12:36:06)

This might help...

http://pacodelucia.org/en/tour

Cheers!




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 29 2011 15:44:26)

the lineup for Ottawa:

Paco De Lucia – guitar, vocals

Antonio Sanchez – 2nd guitar

Antonio Serrano – keys and harmonica

Alain Perez – bass

Piranha – percussion

Duquende – vocals

David de Jacoba – vocals

Farruco – dancer




Josué Machado -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 29 2011 16:55:54)

¡Muchísimas Gracias!




c -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 29 2011 23:03:11)

This Show is in Winnipeg on the 5th of july

Now Im excited

c




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 30 2011 15:13:19)

Saw it last night. Muy bueno!
That bass player gets pretty excited I think...lol
Loved the harmonica player. Wicked solos from him.




xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jun. 30 2011 15:30:51)

that bass player gets on my nerves every time i see them...[:D]




ralexander -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 4 2011 14:25:34)

I thought Alain Perez was awesome!! He and Piraña got into some wicked grooves when we saw them in Montreal on the 25th. The current lineup is fantastic IMO.




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 4 2011 16:05:51)

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I thought Alain Perez was awesome!! He and Piraña got into some wicked grooves when we saw them in Montreal on the 25th. The current lineup is fantastic IMO.


Oh no argument from me. I played bass thru out my 20s and he certainly fits the 'Bass player' mould. But that last solo he did Paco was making eyes at him like he was saying 'WTF was that?!'
But yes, those two certainly groove well together!




chrisva -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 4 2011 17:48:51)

I thought he played better in Ottawa then Montreal...




ralexander -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 12:11:17)

Hey Chris, I'm not surprised to hear that since Montreal was the first show of this Canadian leg. I love outdoor venues and wanted to hit Ottawa as well, but we headed back to Nova Scotia through the US after the show on Saturday.




ralexander -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 12:28:38)

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But that last solo he did Paco was making eyes at him like he was saying 'WTF was that?!'


LOL yeah there was at least one moment like that in Montreal, but it was clear that everyone was having a lot of fun.

Paco's comment after the opening Rondena or first Bulerias was priceless - "I buy new pants today. I been complaining, they very slippery" [:D]




chrisva -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:15:05)

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ORIGINAL: ralexander

Paco's comment after the opening Rondena or first Bulerias was priceless - "I buy new pants today. I been complaining, they very slippery" [:D]


Those damn slippery guitars...[:D]




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:25:56)

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Paco's comment after the opening Rondena or first Bulerias was priceless - "I buy new pants today. I been complaining, they very slippery"


Paco's opening comment in Ottawa was 'Too cold to play Flamenco' It WAS bloody cold. I thought the dancer was doing farruca but he was shivering!




Harry -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:40:33)

I think Paco is becoming more outgoing and it is about time as someone has already suggested. I can never remember him saying anything beyond gracia or even introducing his band the way he did.




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:48:49)

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I think Paco is becoming more outgoing and it is about time as someone has already suggested. I can never remember him saying anything beyond gracia or even introducing his band the way he did.


Interesting. I recall reading somewhere that Paco admitted to being generally a shy guy and did not feel he was so hot a player. Does anyone know of a biography on the man? Perhaps a book or something more authoritative than the interweb...




Harry -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:53:41)

This is the only one I know of in English. It is ok:


http://www.amazon.com/Paco-Lucia-Tradition-Flamenco-Guitar/dp/0964637405/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309877547&sr=1-6




Kate -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 14:59:47)

D E Pohren wrote a book called "Paco de Lucia and Family: The Master Plan" which is very interesting and in English, published in 1992 I dont know if its still available and obviously doesnt cover the last two decades.




marrow3 -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 15:25:12)

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Paco de Lucia and Family: The Master Plan

Excerpts can be read on google books:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3OokB5W9seoC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=Paco+de+Lucia+and+Family:+The+Master+Plan&source=bl&ots=L3xctkL_tS&sig=zeZUJurVZhWcLcbSQVl3MmP7GUY&hl=en&ei=lCwTTuuJONSJhQeg0PH7DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CE0Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Paco%20de%20Lucia%20and%20Family%3A%20The%20Master%20Plan&f=false

regards,
Richard




Harry -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 5 2011 19:32:34)

This is a great recommendation that I will look into. I have been reluctant because often Pohren is very critical of any guitarist who does not adopt the Moron style of Del Gastor and company. His attitude towards Montoya, Ricardo and Sabicas in his Lives and Legends book is frankly nauseating at times to me as a guitarist although I highly respect his research and devotion to educate the West about Flamenco.




jaggedsphere -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 6 2011 2:27:30)

Thank you both for the suggestions of the books. I will keep my eyes peeled for an opportunity to acquire these.

On another note regarding Paco's ensemble. Does he ALWAYS tour with those ferns? Just look in Google images! Do you suppose he names them? [:-]




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ralexander -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 6 2011 18:10:09)

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Does he ALWAYS tour with those ferns?


[:D]

I think they are in the tour rider - funny you should say that, because I was briefing my wife-to-be on what to expect as we walked into the venue, and I mentioned these. I think they are some sort of palm tree - anyway, none to be found in Montreal!




Jayananda -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 9 2011 1:33:47)

I was lucky enough to catch the Toronto and Victoria shows...ferns at both ;) . Both shows were great...it was interesting to compare though:

Toronto had way more young people and different ethnicities...whereas Victoria, of course, was whitebread and old!! It was amazing what a huge difference it made in the energy! Lots of Jaleos and lively shouts in Toronto made the vibe pretty electric in there and the band really responded, whereas in Victoria, without the audience participation, the band was way less energised and you could really see that they were all quite exhausted!! Got an encore in Vic though....no encore in Toronto was sad...I guess venue rules made them stop.

Amazing to see the power of Jaleo anyway!

So happy to have seen Paco finally! I just knocked a huge one off my bucket list...twice!!!! :D




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 9 2011 15:46:30)

quote:

I recall reading somewhere that Paco admitted to being generally a shy guy and did not feel he was so hot a player. Does anyone know of a biography on the man? Perhaps a book or something more authoritative than the interweb...


Paco Sevilla’s biography is far more comprehensive than Pohren’s (although without the benefit of personal acquaintance), and very well written. It should be exactly what you want:

http://www.flamencobooks.com/paco.shtml

It’s available on Amazon, but the price is ridiculous. Paco (and others) stopped dealing with them because the percentage they take is so large.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 9 2011 16:04:08)

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[Pohren’s] attitude towards Montoya, Ricardo and Sabicas in his Lives and Legends book is frankly nauseating


Quite disgusting:

“What makes Sabicas stand out? There are four major factors […] The first is his unbelievable technique. All the flamenco techniques in use today have been developed by SABICAS to a high state of perfection. The second consists of the fact the SABICAS is one of flamenco’s great creators, ranking alongside Ramón Montoya, Javier Molina, and Niño Ricardo […] The third is SABICAS’ fabulous sense of compás, recognized by Manolo de Huelva as foremost among present-day guitarists. Especially in his accompanying (i.e. SABICAS’ records with Carmen Amaya), SABICAS makes one want to leap to his feet and dance. The fourth is SABICAS’ outstanding accompanying, for which art he has a profound instinct.”

How can he say these horrible things? :-)




Harry -> RE: Paco de Lucia's Ensemble (Jul. 10 2011 15:31:25)

Well..in my defense:

"One can detect the great tradition in Ramon's playing, but it is rarely like it can be with others, when the very odors of juergas and gypsies and cave dwellings seem to permeate the room, when bubbling gaiety and profound sadness issues from the tremulous strings. It is tragic, in a way, that in Ramon's last years he himself recognized the inadequacy and pointlessness of most if his artistic life."

"A most serious failing in Ricardo's makeup is that his intricate style of playing presents an obstacle through which little duende can seep. His playing is exciting, musically fascinating, sometimes beautiful, but not generally emotional to the extent that Ricardo would be capable with a less complex style of playing."

"He has cut too many records, some of them strictly commercial, a lot of them trash...as far as they are concerned, everything that Sabicas does nowadays is to be blindly condemned. In a way they are right."

Clearly Pohren has an agenda which is to limit the guitar's place to hammering out compas and the simplest of falsetas which is fine, he is entitled to this opinion, but sometimes his criticisms feel overly harsh.




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