There are only 2 soloists that I would go out of my way and make a real effort to see--Paco de Lucia and Tomatito. Well, I´m currently living in Utrera, a small town about 30 km south of Sevilla. Last night about 8:15 I ran downtown to buy a Euro Millions lottery ticket before they closed. On my walk back home I spotted 2 large posters of Tomatito side-by-side. I thought, "Great, Tomatito must be playing in Sevilla in a couple of weeks. Maybe this time I´ll be able the see him." I work shift work and most weekends, so it´s sometimes hard for me to get to these events. Anyway, as I´m approaching the posters I notice that the concert is going to be in the Teatro Municipal right here in little Utrera! Utrera has a population of under 60,000, and though I haven´t been in the theater I´m sure it´s relatively small, so now I´m really getting excited. Then I looked at the date and time -- THE SHOW TO START IN 30 MINUTES! My wife was home preparing supper and there was no way I could make it. Besides, I´m sure the tickets were sold out.
So let me recap this. One of my favorite guitarists was going to play in a small venue a 10 minute walk from my front door. I had the time and the money to see it and I still missed it. If it wasn´t for bad luck I wouldn´t have any luck at all. [:(]
Phil
duende -> RE: Tomatito (Apr. 9 2005 17:58:11)
im sorry Phil. I would be realy pissed[:@][:@]
TANúñez -> RE: Tomatito (Apr. 10 2005 0:43:45)
I'm sorry Phil, but you blew it! You should have gone! I doubt your wife would have filed for divorse or made you sleep on the couch if you missed dinner. I'm sure she would have understood. How many more signs of opportunity do you need hombre!?! [:)]
Tomatito came to the States last year. It would have been about a 4 hour flight to that part of the country. He's my favorite and I missed it. I haven't gotten over that yet and I doubt I will [:(]
I don't mean to rub it in. Just follow the "signs" next time [:D]
Phil -> RE: Tomatito (Apr. 10 2005 14:18:45)
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I don't mean to rub it in. Just follow the "signs" next time
Thanks for rubbing it in. [:@] By the way, I'm now seeing posters all over the place.
Phil
aloysius -> RE: Tomatito (Apr. 12 2005 1:21:32)
I can empathise, Phil, as a very similar thing happened to me in 1999. I was living in Sevilla at the time and accompanying dance classes at Javier Cruz's studio. A singer who often came in to sing for class there said Tomatito would be playing in his pueblo (Alcala), with potito singing and one of Tomate's cousins dancing, the following Satarday. What's more the show would take place in a small venue, and cost only 500 pesetas!! (about 3 euro). I didn't really believe him, partly because he was a bit of an alcoholic who was fond of embelishing the truth, and partly because I imagined Tomatito would only do fairly big shows. No-one I talked to that week had heard of the show, and it wasn't advertised anywhere in Sevilla, so I let it slip.
Needless to say, the show did happen and for months afterwoods I heard reports of how it was one of the greatest shows ever!
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 14:04:23)
i have the chance to see Tomatito and his son , i know that Tomatito is like one chance lifetime , but does it worth with his 26 years son? the son doesnt seem nothing special , but i can be wrong
anyone with feedback?
Morante -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 15:57:19)
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If it wasn´t for bad luck I wouldn´t have any luck at all.
Albert King[:D]
mark indigo -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 17:02:34)
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i have the chance to see Tomatito and his son , i know that Tomatito is like one chance lifetime , but does it worth with his 26 years son? the son doesnt seem nothing special , but i can be wrong
anyone with feedback?
just go! [:D]
He usually/always tours with a group anyway, so you will probably never see him in a solo gig. He used to tour with his nephew on second guitar, now with his son.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 23:01:26)
yes i guess so , or in the future i cant forgive myself , i allready missed Vicente some years ago (didnt know) and Al Di Meola
Stu -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 23:44:00)
Yeah just go!! I'm sure it'll be a blast. His son was a little disappointing last summer when I saw him in Sanlúcar. He seemed a little disinterested. And most of us who saw it felt a bit let down ...I think Gerardo felt the same. Maybe he just had an off night.
Jeez ,,2005 necropost. All those old members. Manitas don't be afraid to start a new thread.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 4 2023 23:58:18)
Will do when i get the ticket !
well i was soft on my aproach , i cant see "will" (or joy in stage) in his playing , creation or else , sure its dificult to have the name Tomatito as a father... and deal with all the monsters of the industry , all of them where allready huge at 26 and less distrations than today and dont forget that everythig is viral today..
Curious , if you see nino miguel on stage , a monstruous.....genious , on the other side seem to hate the stage and the atention
If we compare Jose Tomate 26 and Jose Manuel "El Pellirojo" theres a huge diference , i love Jose Manuel .
Ricardo -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 11:55:46)
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but does it worth with his 26 years son? the son doesnt seem nothing special , but i can be wrong
You have no clue what you are talking about. He plays great, plus this is gitano family type situation. Like saying something ridiculous like “I love Rancampino, but his son? I doubt I will go.” Or “I loved how Farruco dances but he is now taking his grandson along, what a joke”. [8|]
mark indigo -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 13:21:07)
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If we compare Jose Tomate 26 and Jose Manuel "El Pellirojo" theres a huge diference , i love Jose Manuel .
eh? Has this Jose Manuel "El Pellirojo" played with Tomatito? I have never heard of him. The sobrino de Tomatito that I was talking about is "El Cristi" (Cristobal Santiago Fernández), the nephew of Tomatito.
Here with Tomatito:
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 15:28:33)
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Cristobal Santiago Fernández
no , i was talkin Tomatito Son (José Tomate) and other guy (jose manuel el pellirojo) that have + - de same age. but its unfair to compare , different styles and aproaches, Tomate seems to play allways smooth , and Pellirojo seems more complete playing a lot with volume , sometimes smooth sometimes "ruff" different styles
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 15:37:46)
yes i had no clue , thats why i asked... :) , Tomate seems a bit "dull" maybe thats the corret term. talkin about Gitano , i will search for more of his work , but seems to lack some Gitano flair , i think you know what i mean , theres guys that dont play 1/4 of his level , and only for friends but sound more Gitano , maybe thats it. Let me search more of his work and i will quote again
Mark2 -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 18:34:57)
This guy may be a more advanced player than Tomatito's son, but I couldn't tell from this video. In this video he sounds like he's taken a huge page from Yerai Cortes only he doesn't swing as much.
I saw Tomatito along with his son in 2014. There was another young guitarist in the group as well. I had hoped Tomatito would give the kids a little more rope so we could see what they could do, but the reality was he didn't give them much room, or volume. Which makes sense, cause Tomatito is one of the leading players of his generation. It was his show.
I saw a clip yesterday from the Encuentro video and I think he was sharper then. Which should be no surprise, he's a lot older now. The guy is a legend, and well worth seeing.
I saw Raphael Riqueni a few months ago and he is no longer the same player he was 30 years ago either. Still a great concert. The guy can still play his great falsetas and compositions. I copped a few of his bulerias falsetas from the Sonakay album almost 30 years ago. Another legend. And I saw Sabicas when he was past his prime. Still a legend. All great great flamencos.
If you only want to see guys in their prime, build a time machine.
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
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Cristobal Santiago Fernández
no , i was talkin Tomatito Son (José Tomate) and other guy (jose manuel el pellirojo) that have + - de same age. but its unfair to compare , different styles and aproaches, Tomate seems to play allways smooth , and Pellirojo seems more complete playing a lot with volume , sometimes smooth sometimes "ruff" different styles
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 5 2023 18:57:29)
i think your figured out the first part , the second part of your text i cant agree never said that Tomatito wasnt worth it , i was so stoked when i saw that he was coming here without geriatric age . Great artists only come here to "die" , and its not Tomatito case , hes got a lot to give still. all "issue" if we can call it an issue , was his son , if the show was great with duet , Tomatito just for it self is speechless.
The place is great , very nice acoustic , i will go of course
Ricardo -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 6 2023 12:02:39)
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but seems to lack some Gitano flair ,
There is no such thing. Gitanos are a race of people who, in their culture, put a lot of emphasis on children who carry the traditions. The point is TRADITIONS, not commercial styles and marketed uniqueness or whatever. “Gitano flair’ is a marketing label that negates the purpose and function of traditions. “Tocaor” or “Cantaor” is not some artistic directional choice really, in the tradition your identity becomes one of these as a child and you die with it.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 6 2023 17:55:50)
well singing is different , all gipsies can sing , bad or better , curious with very similar tone , but a lot dont play guitar , and off course what i was talkin about is that the majority that can play including way worse than me have flair , and not only in rumbas but with feeling and personality , maybe flair was a bad choice of word
i put later an example
Morante -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 6 2023 18:54:09)
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well singing is different , all gipsies can sing , bad or better , curious with very similar tone
You know very little about flamenco. Better learn something before commenting.
Listen to Tomás Pavon, Agujetas, Antonio Mairena, Rancapino.
Or Niña de los Peines, La Perla de Cádiz, Juana de la Pipa. Nada de very similar tone.
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 6 2023 20:48:48)
thank you for the advice :) , i knew and i know gipsies as i also work with one...a simple one that can sing their style if he wants to ,normaly dont.. only for joke around or with familly . im not anglo saxon or germanic , here we have a lot of them ,want to see one of my country that lives in spain ? (dont know if still) When i talk tone , is more like the hoarseness and a voice that comes from inside , the style , almost every gipsy (that i saw) does that even if Theres a lot of gipsies that can sing equal , very a like ou similar with poor quality And lot of this wasnt relate to sing.. i was talking that it seems to me that Tomate (the son) dont put to much soul , personality in his playing seems more dull, i understand that it can be his style (or not)
I/you can pick up a lot of guys like this , some sing great other dont but all have tone similiar and typical style , as you can pick up more in spain of course and also france... Well , even the gipsy salesmans speak very similar and some speak singing , like also children and women , its cultural . Very different caucasian style... i can imitate the speaking not the singing , not easy to sing like typical gipsy
joke around , less quality , style still there
dont mind his ankle stuff ...
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Dec. 28 2023 10:54:45)
similar to this
trying to find this typical Buleria to learn how to play it . I think i heard it before not sure if it was the Juan Habicuela one or other.. Its a easy one (for those who can play well flamenco) but i need to see some guidance
Ricardo -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 3 2024 12:14:33)
One of my favorites when Tomatito was at this competition, he lost to Manolo Franco (judges were Manolo Sanlucar, Paco de Lucia etc,). He is playing a Ramirez classical 1a which I thought was interesting:
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 4 2024 11:21:47)
very good
can you please also put Tomatitos performance ?
gracias
Ricardo -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 4 2024 11:48:15)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
very good
can you please also put Tomatitos performance ?
gracias
That is Tomatito. [8D]. Learn more about Manolo Franco here at 13:31….everyone assumed Tomatito would win but he could not play Guajiras/Colombiana to save his life LOL, Tomatito is the first to give him a hug when he won the prize:
I assume Tomatito, having learned a valuable lesson there, composed this excellent Colombiana (a payo cante):
Stu -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 4 2024 14:57:26)
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can you please also put Tomatitos performance ?
haha errr [&:]
but perhaps he meant manolos performance (which is what i was wondering about)
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 4 2024 15:40:37)
well i didnt recognise Tomatito with short haircut , normally the Armando Maradona hairs on steroids , and i didnt know the other guy .
but yes , please put Manolos winner perfomance
Ole
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 4 2024 19:56:35)
nino de pura with a giant mullet
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Jan. 16 2024 23:54:36)
Tomatito Quinteto https://principalantzokia.janto.es/espec.../tomatito/24FLAM1 26/01/2024 19:30 Teatro Principal Antzokia Todos los públicos José Fernández Torres, Tomatito, uno de los grandes guitarristas de los últimos tiempos comenzó a tocar de niño en su Almería natal y durante 18 años acompañó a Camarón, formando una de las parejas más emblemáticas de la historia del flamenco. La fórmula del quinteto con la que ahora viene a nuestra ciudad nos ofrece la oportunidad de disfrutar, entre otros, del cante de raíz de Morenito de Íllora y de la savia joven de su hijo, José del Tomate. Tras la muerte de Camarón, Tomatito continuó su carrera musical y continuó desarrollando su técnica. Entre sus discos figuran Paseo de los castaños (2001), Aguadulce (2004) o Anthology (1998-2008). Sus inquietudes lo llevaron a acercase al jazz y a colaborar y grabar discos con figuras como Michel Camilo, o más recientemente a grabar con orquesta una aplaudida versión de El concierto de Aranjuez. Tomatito, guitarra José del Tomate, 2ª guitarra Morenito de Illora, cantaor Kiki Cortiñas, cantaor Israel Suarez “Piraña”, percusión
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Tomatito (Feb. 9 2024 16:38:28)
