Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Full Version)

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mezzo -> Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 5 2011 12:56:53)

Does anyone has an experience with one of these guitars?
The shop in calle Navas, Granada, sells flamenco blanca de concierto for 1600 euros!
Do you think it's a full handmade for this price?

http://youtu.be/NP0xb7to4sM

Seems the sounds is not that bad for a "cheap" handmade (if so) [:)]



mezzo -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 7 2011 6:14:27)

so nobody tried this ["bargain"(?)] ?
I guess it's too cheap! (from the Bellido family skills)...pay twice and raise the lord! [8|]



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 7 2011 6:47:22)

I didnt try this bargain, but I used to work in Calle Navas 22 some 6 - 7 years ago. I maintain my rights not to have any comments. I havent tried the guitar. I just know that before, when Miguel Angel started, they were called Miguel Angel Bellido. Now they are called Miguel Angel Lopez Guitarras.
Are the guitars signed and who signed them?



mezzo -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 7 2011 11:23:50)

Anders I try to read between your lines.

quote:

Are the guitars signed and who signed them?

good question [:)] No idea I never see one of these guitar.



RobJe -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 7 2011 16:50:33)

There are proably no great secrets about all this. You can find all the clues on this website.
http://www.laguitarra.es/index.php?main_page=page&id=12&chapter=2
You will find prices here for Manuel Bellido, Jesus Bellido and Miguel Angel. The prices for Manuel are pretty good for a 71 year old with a good reputation and now making fewer guitars - a lot of professionals you will find in the penas in Granada play his guitars. The guitars of Jesus are much cheaper - in line with someone who has not established such a reputation. The guitars of Miguel Angel (the ones that are french polished and possibly hand built) are very cheap at 1600 euros - if they were good you might expect to pay more, but I don't know. It would be difficult to exisit in Spain selling hand built guitars at this price. So we have in addition, Miguel Angel Lopez Guitarras - a line of cheap guitars finished in polyurethane. Everyone has to eat!



keith -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 7 2011 18:33:53)

To add another layer to this "cake"--a couple of years ago i bought a guitar, since sold, that had a label and stamp (no signature) with the name Jose Lopez Bellido. I was the second owner. The original owner reported that he bought the guitar from the Bellido shop and the guitar was a Bellido but was unsigned as Mr. Bellido told him he could sign it since it was not his best work. The guitar was a good one but not great.

Now for the kicker. The guitar had a rosette and headstock identical to an Alhambra 7FC (the cypress version). The guitar in reality was an Alhambra sold to Bellido who then slapped in his label and stamp and sold it at his shop in Granada as a second level guitar. The guitar by the time it made it to me was what an Alhambra would sell for in a used condition.

The upshot to this story--pretty standard practice from what I hear for a shop to buy guitars from the factory and then slap in the house label.



Rmn -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 12:42:48)

that's a horrible story Keith.
what do you mean by: "The guitar by the time it made it to me was what an Alhambra would sell for in a used condition." I don't understand this phrase

So do you still have/play this Alhambra? And what do you think of it?

cheers,

Ramón



Morante -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 13:39:13)

Las guitarras de estudio de Pedro de Miguel tambien son de Alhambra. Ellos no lo esconden. Ajustan las guitarras mejor que Alhambra y ofrecen su garantía. Eso es normal: lo que pasa es que las guitarras de Alhambra son buenas.



Rmn -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 13:55:08)

quote:

Eso es normal: lo que pasa es que las guitarras de Alhambra son buenas.


actually i agree with this... the alhambra 7fc can be comparable to a luthier built guitar or even better sometimes.

now i understand, gracias morante



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 20:50:13)

xxpq



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 20:58:17)

xxpq-2



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 11 2011 21:00:25)

xxpq-3



keith -> RE: Miguel Angel Lopez (Bellido) (Jun. 13 2011 12:13:21)

no horror story to the guitar--it was a factory built guitar sold in a shop with a label/stamp much the same way ramirez puts in an estudio label except the label/stamp did not identify it as an estudio. the difference is with ramirez's label it is clearly known the ramirez folks did not lift a tool to make it and with the bellido label/stamp it was left open to whatever story the seller wanted to make up. i think having a label with no identification that it is an estudio is the issue that can be problematic.

there are plenty of horror stories out there about a person buying a guitar sold with lies and mistruths. as to when the guitar got to me--i purchased it used for the same ballpark price a second hand alhambra 7fc would sell for and then sold it when i became unemployed. since i bought it used i did not get into what the original owner paid for it but i suspect he purchased it at a reasonable price.

as to the guitar being a factory guitar--i have no problems with that as long as everything is up front and there are no lies/mistruths/fraudulent stories. i actually have a 1978 juan orozco flamenco built in japan that has a nice flamenco sound .sadly though the cypress used is yellow cedar--alaskan "cypress"-- and although the sound is nice, that wonderful cypress aroma is not there--however, i have some european cypress scraps that i can stick inside to get that aroma.



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