estebanana -> RE: Is China a comunist country (Apr. 24 2011 4:14:12)
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Ericjie, Where do you live, I mean which city in China? I agree with several of your points about the history of China, but one is flawed in particular regarding Tibet. You wrote: "frankly speaking the west doesn't like the rise of china , the best way to keep china under control is to breakup china into pieces-tibet and xinjiang" Well, we both know that statement ridiculous and I am surprised you even went to that argument. Of course I realize you are typing your opinion on the internet for everyone to see, and not telling them to me while walking down the street. Tibet was never part of China and China never part of Tibet. In pre Buddhist Tibet the Champa people and other Tibetans were hardy and fierce warriors who the Chinese emperors hired the to be mercenary forces to protect China from invaders to the North. Later when Buddhism came to Tibet from India, in several generations in the six century Tibet transformed from the warrior guides of the Chinese to the spiritual guides. The Emperors relied on the high Tibetan lamas as spiritual guides. Tibet and China coexisted as separate, but interdependent countries for many centuries. The roles were reversed during this time with China taking on the occasional task of protecting Tibet militarily. To propose that Tibet is a lynch pin in Chinese stability with the West is at best absurd. And at worst paranoid. China is in Tibet for the natural resources, minerals mainly. And Tibet is so far away and isolated from the West that there's no threat that the land of Tibet could ever be a strong hold of western power. And the issues between China and the West are about economic competition. And even in that arena China and the West are interdependent now. But getting back to Tibet, the Tibetans don't consider themselves Chinese and the Han Chinese don't like Tibetans very much and treat them very poorly. What you call a great gathering of Chinese peoples is more along the lines of one culture force assimilating another culture. It's true that you say the Chinese don't make war with other countries, instead they take the land or buy it or lease it, bring in enough Han people to push out the native inhabitants. This is the age old way Chinese governments have fought. Let's call it what it really is, economic and cultural colonial governance. We (the major Western countries) did it and we still to a certain extent still do it. China does it now and it's particularly virulent type pf economic colonialism in Africa because the Han in China find it uncomfortable to assimilate into other cultures when they go on economic missions. When Han people choose to migrate to another country they assimilate, when they are sent or go for cultural/economic reasons they tend to stay together and push out the native groups by vying for the bet real estate. Case in point being Tibetans. When I was a student for a short time in China I used to talk to the cook of my dormitory. I also made friends with the janitor and drank tea with him after he finished work. After we drank some tea, we then drank some wine with fruit in it, kind of like a Chinese version of sangria. After we got a bit drunk he would fry us some eggs. He was a modest man who liked me because I would talk to him even though I was a special student and he was a janitor. It was mildly scandalous to the Chinese instructors that I would be seen drinking and socializing with the 'lowly' janitor. But he and I had fantastic conversations as he was an astute man; and my contemporary American students were jealous that I had been taken into the home of Chinese person and learned about China from an average guy instead of books. Later the Cook and I had much the same relationship, we talked about China and the West, and he said to me: Just because you are engaged in these conversations with the janitor about life in China don't think you know very much or are getting an insider view. He said to me, you look at things with your American eyes and you need to stop doing that to really see. It was then that I tried carefully to not interpret China through my experience of being an American, but to try to imagine what it would be like to be in that culture. The Janitor said one day I like your companionship because you remind me of my son who was sent out to the West end of the country to work. So I was able to just relate to him as just a guy, not a Chinese guy, but just a guy and we talked about Micheal Jackson, French Impressionism and how snobby the teachers were. So now when I read about China in Africa I think, well the world is changing and everyone is competing for the energy or the minerals and thats the way it is. But I always hope on a personal level they will turn around what the cook said to me and look at things from the perspective of the other culture. My opinion is that China is an ancient country that has kept to itself for a few thousand years and now it's entering into the world like sacared little turtle poking it's head out of its shell. And the rest of the world is saying: Great China! We're ready for you to come out and play!
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