Ruphus -> RE: Flamenco therapy... (Mar. 22 2011 13:50:04)
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ORIGINAL: edguerin I wonder what kind of symposion that was. There's enough scientific evidence out there, that psychoanalysis and analytic techniques definitely help (when applied correctly of course). It was reported on in "Der Spiegel" during a series about Freud´s heritance, I think. Guess it to have occured. Also from personal empirics: How often have I seen people coming from a passive therapy so enthusisastically ( typically trying to talk others into it, as compensational back up ), while apparently nothing really changed ( with them admitting themselves over time ). Therapists willing to see their passive methods as succesfull might be tempted taking such patient´s temporary illusion for real. - After all they are vulnerably human themselves, hence despite academic demand at times worshipers and believers against entity / unwilling to accept failure and to head on to other shores. Further: Never has there been such a mass epxeriment like with psychotherapy in the US ( when it was outright fashionable among middle and upper class to visit classical therapists and pay up to hundreds of thousands $ fees to often times outrageous skimmers over the course of years ). With just a hypothetically minimal effect the outcome should have been evident, which it wasn´t. quote:
ORIGINAL: edguerin Active methods CAN help. But not exclusively. And, without wanting to get too technical, cognition alone, unfortunately, isn't the sinecure one often thinks (e.g. why can't people quit a bad habit, even though they know it's deleterious? Why don't self-help books work?) My claim is that it depends on the level of cognition. The minute a person actually understands the trivial background of a mental irritation, it will dispappear simultaneously. Again: Provided the causality is inherently / actually comprehended. - Which seems to be only possibly as an inner process / with active methods. Accordingly, self-help books won´t work as they can´t subtitute autonomous realization. quote:
ORIGINAL: Pimientito A lot of people who do martial arts and Thai chi probably get something similar from their routine every day and I think it provides some kind of mental grounding and balence in the pursuit of perfection of your art. For me the daily "ritual" or warming up, exercises, repertoire and then learning new pieces is something that has carried me through some very difficult periods in my life and I think that is why it could be seen as therapeutic. Re-reading it, this one seems worth a thought. I once went into martial arts for exactly that, seeking balanced state of mind. It never occured, despite so many years; 4 of them even fulltime ( 1,5 years 30 hours per week, 2,5 years 40 h/w ). Neither did it appear as if fellow budoka developed remarkably different from average. People do get more self-confident, especially with realistic disciplines like Wing tsun, Muai thai or grappling, yet not necessarily calm or wise. Tai chi is very different from martial arts. Eventhough once born from Chi sao, it has nothing to do with fighting, but is a form of meditation by physical means. Meditation again undoubtedly affects temper and mind. Ruphus
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