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mezzo -> alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 13:57:02)

I have a question about Alegrias.
If I play alegrias in E without capo, where should I place the capo to play the same tune but in C ?

Thks.



Pimientito -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 14:09:31)

Just think of the capo as the first finger in a bar chord.
To play C as a bar chord your fret the 8th fret. Thats where your capo goes.



NormanKliman -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 14:10:12)

If you play a C chord without a capo, you'll probably play a C on the fifth string third fret. Put the capo on so that you're playing E at the fifth string seventh fret.

EDIT: If you want to use the same E-based chords in the key of C, do as Pimientito says. If you want to play C-based chords in the key of E, do as I've suggested.



XXX -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 14:48:12)

Capo 4th fret.



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 14:55:07)

Ok i think i understand. Thanks [:)]

What i want to do is the same that the por medio/por arriba capo equivalent.
0 por medio = 5 por arriba.
Now i realize that 5 = A bar chord.

I just searched on youtube some Alegrias cante in order to figure the chords progression. But i just have a lot trouble finding some in E. The majority of what i came across were in C.
Don't know why i thought C = for Caracoles [&:]

Now i think, the E is more for solo piece [:D]



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 14:56:38)

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Capo 4th fret.

now i'm officially confused [:(]



Pimientito -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 15:26:27)

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Capo 4th fret.

Thats not a very helpful answer to a beginners question.

Deniz is saying if you put the capo on 4th fret and play a Cmajor chord, it sounds the same as playing in E without the capo.

If you want to transpose the Emajor piece to Cmajor you either have to learn different chords OR capo the 8th fret and play your original chords higher up the neck.
Its a good idea though to learn how to play Alegrias in C, A and E in the first position and then you can play most songs with capo on 2cd or 3rd fret to suit the singer.



Morante -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 15:51:10)

Tienes que aprender el diapasón. Hay tres inversiones básicos: es decir que, con un barré, se pueden tocar por todo el diapasón. Son los acordes de C, E, A. Para acompañar el cante, debes saber tocar por los tres inversiones.

Hoy, en Cádiz, Alegrías se toca en C. Las Cantiñas se tocan en E. Nada se toca en A. (Hablo del costumbre actual.)

El baile por Alegrías se acompaña en E. Porque, normalmente, los cantaores meten muchas cantiñas, y más importante, eso felicita el cambio a bulerías de Cádiz (la que se toca en E).



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 16:17:20)

Pimientito te agradezco l'aclaramiento.
Morante gracias por las precisiones. Tengo mucho curro por delante...



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 16 2011 21:50:12)

Well i put my hands on the guitar and it seems Deniz gives me the info I was looking for.

Here's a quote from Tio J. from an old 2007 post
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Here is a free lesson from my site. I hope it helps some of you in your quest to become better, more complete flamenco guitarists. This lesson covers the accompaniment of a particular letra (verse) of Alegrias in a more or less basic way. It's concept can be applied to many, many other letras. The study of cante accompaniment is key in understanding how melodies are created in a natural way and will reinforce a players commitment to developing good rhythmic skills. A very special thanks to Felix de Lola for providing the cante.
Enjoy!

Normal Tempo
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1F.mov
Slower Tempo
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1S.mov
Counted
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1C.mov
Right Hand
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1R.mov
Left Hand
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1L.mov
Commentary
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1X.mov
Score/Tablature
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1T.htm
....
Okay, here is the cante only file.......
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/algL1V.mov


So [:)] if i want to play what J. is doing (1st fret in E) in C, it seems that i need to place the capo at 5th.
In order to play the C chord progression for Alegria (C G7 F).


Just want to say thanks to Jason for this material. I really hope his situation here is not permanent and maybe he will be allowed to return soon and provide some goods advices...



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 17 2011 9:40:31)



In what the key is he singing E or C ?
Is there a difference in the cante while singing in C or in E ?
(I specify just in case : I'm not asking about the guitar accomp key here [;)] )



Morante -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 17 2011 15:39:51)

Diego canta en mi (E), pero no tiene nada que ver. La guitarra ( de Pedro Bacán, creo yo) se toca en Do (C) al quinto, lo que es normal. El cante se acompaña, casi siempre, en Do: el tono del cante se busca con la cejilla.



malakka -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 17 2011 19:31:23)

La guitarra es de Pedro Pena, El es un primo de Pedro Bacan.



Morante -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 17 2011 19:41:34)

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La guitarra es de Pedro Pena, El es un primo de Pedro Bacan.


Gracias, malakka. Me faltaba las gafas! Pedro es un guitarrista muy flamenco y echamos de menos el gran talento de Pedro Bacan.



malakka -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 17 2011 21:38:04)

De nada, Morante. I like the playing of Pedro Bacan very much. I have his solo cd, Alurican and a couple of cd's where he is accompanying. I have a cd that was made from a vinyl record of Pedro Pena as well. He plays guitar and sings - it is supposed to be a homenaje to Diego del Gastor.



elgreco -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 18 2011 2:18:48)

Priceless.
[:D]
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Gracias, malakka.



malakka -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 18 2011 5:04:42)

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Priceless.



[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]



mezzo -> RE: alegrias in E and in C (Feb. 18 2011 15:00:35)

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Diego canta en mi (E)

Vale! gracias. I think i understand it now [:)]

Sorry if my questions sounds dumbee, but this C = E accompaniment was something i realized only a few days ago (while looking in yutu).
Maybe this is a super_obvious thing for most members here, but I lack theoritical and experientical stuff [&:]

Anyway the funny thing is that i searched on the foro database before asking but i found nothing interesting.
Than today i search for something else, and i enter a word that has nothing to do with this subject and i found a 2006 thread where Maestro Ricardo post this comment :
quote:

...You play Alegrias, Mirabra, Caracoles, Romeras (all are in the family of Cantinas), in whatever key the singer wants depending on his or her range. Deeper voices work for C major, E major for middle voices, and women usually sing in A major, all with possible capo. Cmajor capo 5 or E major capo 1 are the same key, so the guitarist has that choice (for example). It depends a lot on the "macho" letra that is sung last and has a wide range of notes. For baile, it is more typical to play E major, where as a cante solo would be in C major (giving the singer more room to go high)...

Damn!! what i need to do is to compil Ricado's post, print it and made a book [:D]



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