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Yojimbo -> Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 5:47:19)

Hi

Sorry if this is posted in the wrong place, but I'm wondering if anyone can help me put a value on this guitar.

The sticker inside identifies it as Sobrinos de Domingo Estesos 1969. Here's a photo.

Thanks for your help.



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Ramon Amira -> [Deleted] (Feb. 7 2011 5:56:22)

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Yojimbo -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:00:35)

No I'm not kidding.

I picked up this guitar almost 30 years ago when I made a stab at learning flamenco. My teacher at the time said it was a good guitar so I bought it. Soon after I quit because I was in university (Nuclear Engineering) and studying took all my time. After that life got in the way and the guitar has been sitting in its case in the attic - until now when I've started to get interested again.

I have looked up this maker on the web and it seems to me like I might have lucked out all those years ago when I bought this. But it's not my subject area and that's why I'm looking for some knowledgeable help.



elgreco -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:00:48)

Not sure if you are pulling our leg here, but is this the guitar you recovered from the attic? First of all it is Domingo Esteso not Estudos. It is a Conde Hermanos which happen to be the most popular flamenco guitars in the world. The price depending on the condition of the guitar may vary between 5 and 15K here in the states. The contemporary Sobrinos Domingo Estesos reeditions are 17K Euros. http://www.condehermanos.com/en/catalogue/List/show/domingo-esteso-reissue-214

Welcome to the foro
Dino



elgreco -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:10:49)

Well, here is a 1960 (your is a '69) sold for more than 10K by Dan Zeff, a respected guitar reseller:

https://www.danzeffguitars.com/showitem.cfm?id=194&menu=flamenco&type=guitars

Dino
PS What do I get for providing you this information? [:D]



Yojimbo -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:13:54)

Yes that's the guitar.

I've fixed the typo in my original post - thanks. I should have checked to be sure I had the name correct - lazy.

The guitar is pretty much in mint condition.

Here's a picture of the label inside.



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KMMI77 -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:27:33)

Wow! Like the others have stated. Depending on the authenticity, sound and condition etc... this guitar should be worth quite a bit!



Yojimbo -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 6:37:24)

Well, I gotta say you guys are really making my day.

I believe it's authentic but I'm not an expert. I purchased it used around 1976 and had my teacher of the time play it for me and he vouched for it as being worth the money. As I said a bit earlier, it's pretty much in mint condition.

I think I lucked out.



Kevin James Shanahan -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 9:13:07)

Well here in australia we have hock shops where you can take your unwanted goods in exchange for cash . Our shops are a little less prestigeous than dan zeff guitars (omg how am i going to get out of that site) and i suspect that they would offer you about fifty dollars . Myself I would give you twice that and you wouldn't have to worry about transport i would arange that .



Kevin James Shanahan -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 9:26:58)

Thats one hundred dollars and this is my one hundred post . ps i could go a little higher



KMMI77 -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 10:16:10)

Next time your in the attic see if you have an old violins with Stradivarius written on it.[;)]



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 11:46:51)

there are many thousands violins with a label saying Stradivarius. They are often worth less than 100,-€

Yojimbo. I wouldnt call it luck to buy something really valuable and keeping it in almost mint condition for 30 years. I´ll just say well done and dont sell.[:D]



El Kiko -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 12:16:05)

quote:

Hermanos Conde (Conde Brothers) are world famous luthiers of classical and flamenco guitars. The Conde dynasty was founded by Domingo Esteso in 1915 in Madrid. Esteso in turn trained his nephews Faustino and Mariano Conde Sr. Later, Julio Conde was trained by his own brothers.
Domingo Esteso died in 1937, since then the three Conde Brothers continued working for Esteso's widow under the name of "Viuda y Sobrinos de Esteso" (Esteso's Widow and Nephews) until 1960.
Since 1960 until 1988-89 they took over the shop and called themselves "Sobrinos de Domingo Esteso Conde Hermanos" (Esteso's Nephews, Conde Brothers) or "Hermanos Conde Sobrinos de Domingo Esteso" (Conde Brothers, Esteso's Nephews).


you can read about this on wiki,, although you may have already seen it ..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermanos_Conde


I think it would be of interest to put a sound clip on, after all thats the way to find if a guitar is good or not.....



TANúñez -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 12:16:26)

You can't get a value based on a photo. Get in contact with R.E.Brune and speak to him.
http://www.rebrune.com/contact/contact.html



Arash -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 12:28:03)

not played for 30 years and in attic..... that guitar must be checked (sound, straight neck, etc.)...



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 7 2011 16:42:23)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TANúñez

You can't get a value based on a photo. Get in contact with R.E.Brune and speak to him.
http://www.rebrune.com/contact/contact.html


Second the motion. An appraisal by Brune is relatively inexpensive, and his opinion is authoritative. If I ever got into a lawsuit over a guitar, he's the guy I would want on my side.

RNJ



Yojimbo -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 8 2011 3:24:01)

Thank you all.

I've been referred to William Laskin to get it checked out - I've sent an email and I'm hoping he / they respond soon. This is in Ontario and I live in Toronto so perhaps it's close by.

I'm open to any other recommendations for someone local if you have any. I agree that I should get it checked out.



TANúñez -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 8 2011 18:53:04)

Laskin builds amazing guitars and his inlay work is second to none. However, I don't think he's regarded as an authority on flamenco guitars. At least that I know of. You should still talk to Brune.



ralexander -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 8 2011 19:08:44)

Most people don't know that Grit has been building flamencos of his own design since 1985. He is certainly capable of working on the guitar or checking it for "issues", but I tend to agree with Tom that he's not regarded as an authority on flamenco guitars when it comes to a proper valuation. If this was mine, I'd purchase a flight case and ship it to Brune.



por medio -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 9 2011 19:41:36)

Just looking at the picture. What would be the nut width there? It looks fairly wide.



Yojimbo -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 10 2011 0:23:18)

Now that I know this guitar is reasonably valuable, I'm more interested in getting it checked out. There seems to be some mold (the green spots) underneath the label - you can see it in the pic of the label I posted. Anyone know what that is?

Grit Laskin has referred me to the Twelfth Fret in Toronto.

Re the nut width - as measured from edge to edge using my trusty ruler, it looks like 51-52 mm.



KMMI77 -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 10 2011 4:09:02)

Hey Yojimbo,

I would love to hear this guitar. If you take it to have it valued and someone who plays flamenco is there. I'd love it if you could share a video. Im sure everyone here would enjoy listening to it. I've never heard what a guitar sounds like after 30 years in the attic?[:D]



Andy Culpepper -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Feb. 11 2011 2:53:41)

Looks like a great guitar. I think you should keep it and play it.. [:)]
Some moisture might have gotten inside in the label area... it seems to have cracked the back center reinforcement when it receded. But you're luck there's no cracks in the body.



SantsMadrid -> RE: Guitar Valuation? (Sep. 12 2011 8:47:02)

Try to put a cigarette between the front and the strings, and see if the cigarrete doesn't fal.



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