Ruphus -> RE: Thank God for the BBC.. (Feb. 3 2011 13:51:34)
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"Back in time, when people in Europe lived on trees, ..." That´s what I used to state when trying to bring down Germans from high horses ( those to whom it applied and of which it had considerably more decades ago ). And used to riducule them with the example of a German throne that was lettered with a word that turned out to be meaning "chair". The past 20 years however revealed that the old European cultures weren´t remotely as retarded than thought of in the period of ~ 20 to 40 years ago. They were already pretty good at metallwork etc. and the old Germans for instance managed to beat the Romans not just by barbarism. ( Apropos metallwork: Did you know that part of Vikinger´s war campaigns success had been due to their swords, whichs special alloy used to be brought over from Persia? - Isn´t that just as surprising as the fact that thier success abroad was mainly due to civlized action like settling and trading? ... And that they never wore horns on their helmets. - Sorry for straying away.) "A guy i have coincidentally met once said: the dumb people are equally distributed among the countries." In consideration of what? Intelligence, common knowledge or reason? While such a statement will account only for intelligence, it must be considered that intelligence does not mean much ( to me ). As it can account for reason just as it can account for simple slickness, which again depends on the measure of actual recognition ( resulting in empathy, cooperation and constructive being ), which again can differ significantly with average mentality among cultures. ( Which is why I would prefer to live with the empathical mentality of an indigene tribe on south-pacific island Tanna rather than with indigene folks on Papa New Guinea, eventhough both being at same level of intelligence; and prefer any of the two examples to living with e.g. high-teched Japanese mentality.) "but most of what i hear from "foreigners" or even many iranians who left iran 30 years ago, are either based on some subjective experiences or prejudices or manipulation through media or simply lack of first hand information." My experience is that in Germany at least I have meet so many people who think highly of Iranians. They consider them to be people with a great culture, and also many times I was told that one´s best friend was an Iranian ex-pat. There were even more who said that they would love to visit the country. In fact I find it remarkable how stable the sympathy seems to be despite all the archaic news. "we should stick by facts in these scientific issues instead of personal opinions and impressions" I found that file very interesting to read, but do not think that the contents disprove my personal observations or preceding factual base. # First of all, it must be considered that the scientifical situation listed relates to progress in relation to the individual past; not to common ( international ) state of science. ( In sight of relative progress, I am sure you know of the illiterate percentage of 3 decades ago.) Considering the international situation the "30years paper" respects the quantity of released scientifical papers. Something that will certainly indicate activity, but not simultaneously quality in a linear proportion. # Secondly, if you have a look at what subjects made the most space in Iran, it shows that it is out of all nuclear chemistry and -physics. Something least suited to bring advance to the people, and exactly useless for supporting reason among people. Especially for a place that should have no need for polluting the country with nuclear waste, whilst having ideal conditions for solar technology. So much even that it could count with profits from exporting electric energy, if it had invested into coherent means. # Further, some mentionings in that paper do not match empirics on-site. Like with the exert that I attached below. Animal science: You will be hard pressed to find a vet who actually understands too much about zoology. I have visited a number of veterinarians and talked to them. What the average vet has learned is how to exploit cattle and poultry to max. They by pharmaceutical means help keeping the animals alive under unworthy conditions. ( I have not even seen them warning from overdosing while they hand out chemicals to farmers.) Whereas about natural demand and care they know little to nothing. What I have heard of them instead is giving out locally common advice. ( Which e.g. for dogs is: For a good watch dog, cut off his ears. That will make him aggressive. And inclose it in a small, dark place over the day, releasing it only at night.) # Psychology: On TV there exist sort of "psychology shows", where you see several psychologists commenting individual cases and desease. What I found by watching such a couple of times was outdated speciality from western faculty of about 40 years ago, mixed with typical bias and moralistic cliche. There certainly exist much more up-dated specialists, but it must be wondered if they are meant to be too popular. It must be taken into consideration that we are about average mentality, hence how whatsoever scientifical level and reason is actually spread among people. A supporting fact like that in Iran for instance the tradition of medics is still alive, with internationally highly acknowledged physicists and researchers at home as well as abroad, does not mean that the average Iranian doc will be a good one. Unfortunately, not at all. What we are looking for is the empirical condition among people. The cognitive situation with ethics and knowledge, empathy and association. And from there I sincerely, wholeheartedly sympathize with your statement: "in fact, i have many things to critisize about my own country or fellow countrymen myself and do that all the time in political and other discussions." It has to be forgotten about Cyrus and Hafez for now. Instead seen what´s up today. Illuminate ignorance, cruelty and desastrous ethics. Try ending that casualness. Make the people feel uncomfortable with inuman and detouched patterns and wanting for a better. Have that dozing acquaintance grab his nephew´s ear for having betrayed the neighbours. Making yourself unpopular if must be. Making away with that darn hypocrisy and replace it through cognitive association, as much as can. Telling of mathematically proven efficiency of cooperation, and educating on intellectual retardedness of craftyness and indifference. That will be love to folks. - ( For lack of time, I have to let out a response regarding international entanglement in Orient´s New Age lag.) - Because as written below in the excerpt: "Iranian´s quality of life may increase, if the knowledge that is being produced can be harnessed in astute and constructive ways." If the cognitive potential was switched from status quo to pragmatism, the country could stop mineral oil production altogether and blossom like hardly any other place. # There are archaeologic treasures in the ground that couldn´t be retrieved by a host of thousands within centuries of time. Investing into that could generate tourism for an attraction absolutely unique worldwide. ( There also used to be a stunning wildlife once, but I doubt it could ever be recovering.) # There are plains a couple times the size of Germany, of which a good part is waiting to be planted with hemp, which should trigger a textile industry of extreme high quality product, also oil and high-quality paper production. The hemp then raising the scarce water household over time. With the plains after a couple of years of completely chemically and addition free hemp fertilization being ready for other agricultural products. ( Fruits there develope top notch aroma and are in high demand internationally.) # There exists great fallow talent that could find its application in industry of intelligent goods as with computer science or circuits. ( Officials around 3 years ago announced the goal of becoming first in science in the Near East. An appealing idea if it will be understood that educational staff in the institutions who made career for opportunistic reasons must be replaced by personnel who stands out in the subject.) Ruphus
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