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Stu -> desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 27 2011 23:49:05)

Hola Amigos!!

ive been working on caracoles in my dance class and theres a desplante at the end before a section of bulerias.

whats the story with a desplante? in terms of the guitar is there much difference from a llamada?? is there more flourish? and extra chord maybe?

the teacher said for dancers a llamada is like a "full stop" ("period")but desplante is like a "comma"

she also said that for her the llamada ends on 10 whereas the desplante stop on 11.

guess my query is what the hell do I play?
was just gonna play F C Ab G C or something

cheers in advance




Stu -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 30 2011 0:55:25)

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no answers? someone surely knows something




c -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 30 2011 2:07:18)

If I was to play a desplante section before the bulerias I might try it in three's

but make sure thats what the dancer wants ...a desplante can be like a falseta for the dancer....very insperational.




Guest -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 30 2011 2:31:53)

been asking a similar question at jason's forum...

any chance of an upload demonstrating this?
much appreciated[:-]

ps thanks Stu..




marduk -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 30 2011 3:30:02)

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What is desplante?

Desplante is, in baile flamenco, a means of rounding off a series of 'escobillas', or of signaling the end of a 'falseta', where the body displays an expression of arrogance or acrimony.
Andrea Pirela, Venezuela

Desplante is a sudden movement of the body which is not guided by the harmony of the sequence - quite the opposite; it makes a definitive break, catching the body itself and the audience by surprise.
Lucero, Mexico

The desplante is a break in the dance that begins with a pre-arranged step, to signal to the guitarist that the dancer's improvisational sequence will follow. The desplante gives way fully to the dancer's inspiration, imagination and creativity before returning to the set rhythm.
Tova, RumanĂ­a


i found that at flamenco-world




XXX -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 30 2011 8:37:57)

dont know what a desplante is (although i might have accompanied one), but you need to be aware all these terms are just a rough description of whats going on. if it is something rhythmical just copy on the guitar what the dancer does with the feet. or, if she wants you to be more the base, then you play something simple and steady.

if you have the opportunity, and in London im sure there is, you should really invest in lessons with an accompaniment teacher. and you need to go to shows. the first time i saw a show with dance was VERY enlightening for me.




marduk -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 31 2011 1:06:27)

a couple of people have suggested to me, that Desplante will often start with quick arm movements. would anyone else elaborate on that?




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Ricardo -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 31 2011 15:59:45)

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the teacher said for dancers a llamada is like a "full stop" ("period")but desplante is like a "comma"

she also said that for her the llamada ends on 10 whereas the desplante stop on 11.


I only used to do this when I first learned "old school" bulerias de cadiz. The reason for the 11 is that is where the buleria picks up a specifice type of old school accent. Like in E major the end of the llamada on 10 the E chord you do 10, 11, golpe, now B7 1,2 E rasgueado on 3, then accent 4, 5, golpe, B7 on 7,8, Back to E ras 9, accent 10 11, golpe on 12 etc . Until the next llamada you do the same again, and keep doing it like that till the end or get faster each time like Carmen amaya.

Now I say "old school" cuz no body strums bulerias de cadiz like that anymore since the 1950's. Just strumming normal bulerias and playing "through" the llamadas is fine for all dancers nowadays. Even la Tati.[;)][:D][:D]

At :18 desplante into bulerias at :22. and again 2:04 you hear the specific rhythm I mean and it ends with final llamada. Short version for tv, most choreografies would keep repeating that thing with another desplante.


Ricardo




marduk -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Jan. 31 2011 17:25:14)

thank you for the information guys. I want to learn as much about everthing I can related to flamenco. I believe its a good thing to know what has happened in the past, even if it doesnt increase my guitar ability.

all of this stuff leads to other information




Stu -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Feb. 2 2011 23:19:13)

thanks folks

still slightly unclear chords wise.

forgetting the words and terminology.... what should the guitarist be doing differently?? maybe its nothing....

great vid by the way ricardo....it reminds me of some 50s hollywood musical flick the background almost looks fake etc.

quote:


Desplante
Specific type of double llamada
First compas is 1-2-3
Second compas is 12-2-4
Additional remates possible but still called a desplante


Cheers Rom.... hmmm i think this makes sense to me but again i still dont know what this allows me to do musically. how do i make this desplante sound different from a llamada...
I wanna be authentic but also dynamic and interesting

quote:

if you have the opportunity, and in London im sure there is, you should really invest in lessons with an accompaniment teacher. and you need to go to shows. the first time i saw a show with dance was VERY enlightening for me.
thanks deniz!... I do both and will continue to do that but I need help now.

Im off top see Tomatito next week and he has dancer with him!...cant wait. im pretty sure i wont be able to know when the desplante is...or maybe i will actually




Ricardo -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Feb. 3 2011 15:42:18)

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how do i make this desplante sound different from a llamada...


You dont have to do anything but play through the ending. Dont' stop on 10, accent 11 golpe continue as described above.

Tomatito does not really accompany the dancer with llamadas and such, he just plays through it all, even using falsetas. Most of the dance is just percussion anyway, if it is the same guy I saw years ago.

Ricardo




Stu -> RE: desplante/llamada help??? (Feb. 3 2011 22:58:20)

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You dont have to do anything but play through the ending. Dont' stop on 10, accent 11 golpe continue as described above.


cheers man. thats kinda what i wanted to hear.

worked through it today with dancers and its all good. cheers folks




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