Pgh_flamenco -> RE: Javier Conde Bulerias!! (Jan. 28 2011 3:39:18)
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ii, V, I is not exclusive to Jazz, and it didnt start in Jazz either. 11th, 9th, 13th chords are not "Jazz" chords. They are chords like any other chord. Flamenco uses harmonic minor scale ALOT. If i walked into a Jazz club and the guitarist was using a harmonic minor, i wouldnt say "Hey, he's playing flamenco influenced jazz!!" The guy has probably never even heard of flamenco. And i doubt Gerardo is a big Freddie Green, or Herb Ellis fan. They just happen to like some of the same chords, but use them in COMPLETELY different context. So no, Jucal has no connection to Jazz or Jazz harmony. It’s not so much chords, but chord voicings that make a chord a jazz chord as opposed to just a 13th chord, etc. It’s the standardization of chords and chord progressions that define a genre. A Latin ii, V, I, for example, sounds quite different from the ii, V, I progression that’s common in the USA. Were there any instances of the ii, V, I progression in flamenco prior to the influence of jazz decades ago? Would people argue over the differences between old and modern flamenco if influences from other genres of music hadn’t made their way into flamenco? Context isn’t enough to explain away the similarity between the ii, V, I in Jucal and what is found in American jazz. Gerardo didn’t grow up in a vacuum.
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